But I am not an investor saar @VijayNair
So that means you are in the 1%? Ideally you should have ₹100 crores in your trading account then at the bare minimum.
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Okay saar.
You can make me the chairperson and I will do everything right.
From decreasing per lot size, to decreasing spreads, to decreasing PMS ticket sizes, allowing short selling of any stock indefinitely, remove all ASM GSM. 
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Nope… You dont need 100cr to be in the 1% of Fno Retail Traders 
You are having too much fun. Change the brand 
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If this happens then stalk brokers will need to look for alternate business. We would end up paying 2.5% for delivery and very high DP/AMC charges.
Brokers will soon go bankrupt as 10% cant payoff the entire broking industry so withdraw that 100/- Immediately and put it in an FD 
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Its great that , at least you are mentioning F&O traders as F&O investors !!!
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I am also works like him in a factory , but our factory makes Jalebi 
Na I am fellow retail participant like everyone else. I know the remedy though if SEBI thinks it can stop us and passes any regulations as such. It’s just that I am so neck deep in one civil case of my father’s property and with a job on top of my head that I am unable to do anything much.
But I am pretty sure zerodha has enough resources to send their advocate to Delhi and remind SEBI that they are not absolute and can’t keep discriminating retail participants against institutions irrespective whether we win or lose as such stock market itself is fair only and doesn’t discriminate anyone unless big players keep manipulating market.
But, what’s the incentive for an incumbent like Zerodha to do that?
More incremental regulations (and any complexities gradually/constantly being added)
usually act as a deterrent for any upcoming competitors
as the incumbent has the scale to deal with them compared to the upcoming competitors.
…which is happening on a regular basis. Right ?
So, does that mean more guardrails required? 
Thought-A.
the type of trading activities being disincentivised
Is there a way to frame them as a non-zero-sum game?
Thought-B.
Does the regulator find themself in a trolley problem scenario?
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I am of view it’s their obligation to us being largest broker house of retail participants of stock market.
Plus wasn’t the entire zerodha’s project and product was about bringing people to stock market from traditional asset classes such as real estate & gold wasn’t it. It’s not like people don’t speculate or trade nor invest, they just do it in different market.sure people are making losses but people in other market make loss as well. I don’t see much difference. Honestly it’s a plus because even if money goes to big institutions, it comes back to economy and govt gets taxes etc.
That happens in real estate and else where as well. If we take asset classes view if there is market say precious metals (gold & silver), real estate it’s there too. Even in vegetable market you might have heard news of middle men traders hoarding onion or farmers dumping tomatoes on road because price fell off. You might have heard price Of onion going sky rocket. Pump & dump are all there. However stock is lot lot regulated compared to others. This is my view.
For some avg Indian guy having money to start bussiness whether he starts doing vegetable bussiness like middle man or the stock market, stock market are lot cheaper and far regulated, far regulated than real estate.
Saying zero sum blinds people. It’s not gambling or poker. Are we forgetting F&O evolved from forwards market? Forwards market was there since long before
What is F&O? At the core it’s a contract between you and the seller/buyer where you take risk of underlying and pay/recieve payment in future. It’s a contract. Essentially you get paid for risk you take. It’s basically like insurance bussiness. F&O is a bussiness Even ITD treats it as bussiness.
Now look If majority of people are bad at a particular bussiness, it’s their problem. People should test thoroughly, have DD , be psychologically prepared and not have insane expectations with 300% return or something and be bought by leverage.
The only problem I see it as zerodha or technology has over simplified it as showing a button to initiate orders and psychologically people have mistaken it for gambling or something else. Even when you click behind scenes lot of things happen. It’s a contracts bussiness at the end of day more or less like a insurance for stock holders.
My view is people should approach it as bussiness. Everyone had right to trade and commerce
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The primary goal is hedging or insurance. 
Speculators add liquidity. 
I don’t buy into the argument this is a zero sum game, buyers and sellers are providing value to each other. 
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Very well made points.
Yes. And de-regulation of this relatively better market in the name of “free-market” is only in the interests of the select few at the expense of the majority (who don’t even seem to realize it).
While one extreme “License-raj” would be bad.
The other extreme is even worse.
So, let’s not do either.
Beyond a certain scale,
it is no longer a “their problem” but an “our problem” for the society as a whole.
Are we at that scale yet? No? Trending towards it? Yes?
Wouldn’t an uninformed speculator add noise and
also increase the cost borne by the other participants,
acting as an amplifier for the manipulators.
without adding value.
IMHO, heavy-handed restrictions are short-term “band-aids” or “tourniquets”
that will only go so far to slow-down the inevitable decline of the market.
Education (both literacy as well as financial) is what stands a chance
of preventing the ultimate decline of a market over the long-term.
Look at it logically, money lost by retailers go to big institutions simply come back to same economy. I don’t see it as a problem.
Trending towards it is overstatement. Honestly retail participants of stock market are like 5% of entire Indian population. We are tiny minority, because the majority are wired to go around traditional asset class real estate and gold.
Dumb money is there everywhere, not just in stock market . Say you are giving 50 rs per sqft land in middle of halasuru lake in Bangalore BDA approved, you will find people queuing to buy it even if it floods on monsoon season . Greater fool theory and herd mentality is real.
100% agree with this , but more than That greed is main problem everywhere. That can’t be helped.
It’s always a “their problem”.
Because, trading demands discipline, perseverance, thorough research, decision making ability, patience and consistency. In order to succeed in trading, one has to earn these qualities. After having, anybody can succeed in trading, even a person with average IQ can. It is even less discriminatory than JEE exam(99% failure rate) where only people with above average or high IQ can win. It is not a rocket-science. It is all about psychology.
If majority can’t achieve these qualities, why is this our problem? It is always their problem.
These qualities are not like IQ that can’t be achieved. IQ is wholly genetic, while these qualities can be achieved by regularly practising.
Majority is willing to succeed in trading without having these qualities, it’s surely their problem.
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True.
People purchase real estate by going to registrar’s office and doing some paper works and paying fees.
In trading, these things are done digitally in the back-end.
Human psychology can be fooled easily. Humans can cry by seeing some torturing scene in cinema although that is not reality.
People think trading is gambling because oversimplification is out of their league. They are still old-schooled.
But also not helped by people selling stuff claiming easy money. Even brokers do it.
Somehow people should be made to understand that there is no easy money here. SEBI did take a step in that direction by daily warnings.
Even sustained effort is not guaranteed to make you money. Luck and skill both matter, if you study wrong stuff and dont course correct and get lucky and find something worth studying, no amount of study will do anything. And just studying probably wont work, need to apply, gain skill and adapt to target market. And things can change and we need to adapt again. Its crazy that after all this, in the end simple things can make money.
Same stuff happens in equity investing too, only it takes longer and you are probably not leveraged and you have some help from the underlying positive movement. But people ‘investing’ in penny stocks, sme ipos, just chasing all ipos, chasing what made huge gains in recent years, averaging after huge falls looking at past, looking at fundas in a primitive way without understanding, etc etc etc
Fool and his money …