Please bring in more bank deposit options.
These 2 banks are rather risky.
Indicators like Capital Adequacy Ratio (CAR) and Non-Performing Assets (NPAs) for these 2 banks are NOT very healthy
I had checked the CAR of suryoday. It is above 23 plus. The minimum set by rbi for sfb is 14 to 15 percent.
Utkarsh is around 17 percent
No, you cannot pledge these FDs for margin.
There are more banks we are tying up with. We will keep adding to the list.
Ok thanks Mohit. Try to tie up with big banks too, not just small finance or co-operative banks.
Banks with good capital adequacy ratios and low NPAs would be perfect.
sriram finance is offering around 8.15% right now. i invested a few weeks back and this is without lock-in even available for a 2 year tenure. what i don’t really understand is the risk logic here. if you actually try to compare probabilities how is the failure risk of suryoday bank or utkarsh bank meaningfully lower than that of say bajaj finance/finserv? if the only argument is that “banks are safer than all nbfcs” that might have made sense a few years ago not today. do we really think bajaj finance or sriram finance is more likely to default than these small banks? realistically, this needs a more nuanced discussion …
@livepositionaltrader You probably invested significantly more than 5L,
so the DICGC insurance (currently upto 5L) on bank-FDs wasn’t a factor in your analysis?
(or is there something identical or better available on the Sriram finance’s offering?)
Personally, i think that
none of us is in a position to accurately determine and reliably differentiate between such probabilities.
(various reasons like - lack of timely access to all relevant information, inability to understand/review detailed financial statements/regulations, lack of time to perform a thorough analysis, …)
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So, in the absence of doing an reliable/accurate risk-assessment, we rely on the hive-mind.
Essentially, we perceive this as
the inability of Sriram finance to raise funding at
the current ongoing risk-free (sovereign guarantee risk) rate of return around 6-7%.
So, the additional couple of percentage points of returns
are to compensate us for the additional risk we are undertaking (whatever they may be).
In other words, what the math is telling us is
if we were to replay this EXACT scenario (investing in this offering from Sriram finance) a 100 times,
- we will lose our entire principal a small fraction of those 100 attempts
- we will lose various fractions of our principal/interest a larger fraction of those 100 attempts
…the fractions of such partial/complete failures being such that,
the effective average returns over those 100 attempts will be around 6-7%.
Of course, we humans are not perfectly rational beings.
Banks as a concept have been present (as institutions of relatively high trustworthiness) in our society /collective psyche for far longer than NBFCs. For better or worse, our society consists of individuals for whom “peace of mind” is an offering (among other nuances) that banks provide, and hence such folks are happy to pay something for it - a fraction of a percentage point of interest returns.
Described in terms of the “priceless” ad campaign, the (irrational?) sales-pitch for a bank-FD becomes -
- Account opening charges - 200 INR.
- Monthly statement email/sms charges - 15 rupees (per month).
- ATM debit card fees - 500 INR/annum.
- Freedom to do [insert here whatever you dream of doing in your life] for the next decade
knowing that all FD payments will be deposited in your bank account without fail on time - Priceless.There are somethings that money can’t buy.
For everything else, there is… a Bank FD?
I see the recent trend by various NBFCs offering individuals
bank-FDs that do NOT require the individual to hold a savings account with the bank,
as a way to further tweak the traditional offerings by the bank
enabling an individual to get exposure to a bank fd
without requiring to avail any of the other services offerred by the bank (and pay for them).
@cvs thanks. most of your points make sense and i largely agree. people will naturally prefer banks over nbfcs an thats how things have worked historically. my point was not about taking blind risk but about selectively exploring large well capitalised nbfcs where the perceived risk is higher than the actual risk (these days). sometimes it’s not just straight math
no doubt for an fd maybe the real question is indeed the probability of default that too over the next say 2/5 years - the fd tenure thats like less than 0.5% … actually even less than taht. adding to that in case of a large nbfc (large matters here!) multiple low probability things would need to go wrong together say asset quality, liquidity, regulation, funding access and what not for that to happen. anyways tthat combined thing is realistically quite low was my opinion compared to that ujvain and surya tv bank.
It is very difficult for anyone to do this quantification of risk.
There are several examples of large NBFCs defaulting and depositors losing money. Outside of cooperative banks, depositors in universal and small finance banks have remained protected. Even when banks have faced stress or defaults, losses have been borne by shareholders. Regulators and the government has always stepped in to protect depositors.
We did consider enabling NBFCs. However, the DICGC insurance of Rs. 5 lakhs, which is not available for NBFC deposits, adds a clear layer of safety for bank depositors and lowers risk in favour of banks, even if they are SFBs. The objective is to let you shop between different bank FDs even if you don’t have an account with them.
At Zerodha, we usually do not recommend financial products or take views on returns. Our role is to enable choice and execution. Many of our users take explicit market risk with full awareness. Fixed income products are different. They are expected to deliver returns commensurate with the risk taken. NBFC deposits do not offer returns meaningfully higher than those of other deposits, making the added structural risk difficult to justify. When we see this imbalance, we believe it is appropriate to err on the side of not offering the product.
alright… thanks for the details.
Could you cite the exact circular and quote the exact wording of the circular that led you to conclude this? I see many circulars saying that it is possible.
- Sebi master circular June 17, 2025: https://www.sebi.gov.in/sebi_data/attachdocs/jun-2025/1750158789381.pdf
43.7 While depositing other forms of collateral i.e. Cash, Fixed Deposits (FDs), Bank Guarantees (BGs) or Government Securities provided through the SGL/CSGL route, etc, the CM shall allocate these collaterals into proprietary account of CM, and/or proprietary m account of any TM clearing through the CM, and/or account of any of the clients (including Custodial Participants (CPs)) clearing through the CM, and/or of any of the clients trading through the TM who in turn is clearing through the CM, segment-wise
See Question 1 and 2:
See Annexure 7 and attached PDF
Note iccl still allowing FDRs and BGs:
For more details,
When? Also when can we expect bigger banks like hdfc, axis, kotak, sbi, icici etc?
And why is utkarsh removed?
Any update here?
Utkarsh Small Finance Bank was temporarily unavailable due to a CBS migration; it’s available now.
We’re also working on integrations with a few more banks and expect to add 2–3 banks by next month. We’re currently working with a few larger banks as well and will update here once integrated.
For all the banks that are integrated now and will be integrated in the future, allow people to setup monthly redemption. Currently only 1 bank allows monthly redemption.
currently this is the process give on https://fd.zerodha.com/
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Why do we have to complete KYC with Bank. Zerodha has done KYC part already. make this process automatic so it will become seamless and more and more people will invest via coin.
Zerodha can give NAME, PAN, ADDRESS and MOBILE NUMBER to Bank with user permission.
Zerodha’s KYC and the bank’s KYC are separate processes.
Even if Zerodha has already completed your KYC, the partner bank must verify your identity separately as required by banking/RBI rules before opening an FD.
You only need to complete KYC once with the same bank, so future FDs with that bank should be quicker.
You can also check the FD FAQ section for more details: FD FAQs
I am sure the rekyc procedure will continue as normal. These are FD and will remain for longer tenor and I am sure based on bank policy, rekyc will also be done.
Ofcourse. Re-KYC should be done every 10 years even for low-risk customers. It depends on the risk profile. In practice, re-KYC may end with a self-declaration for no-change or a full re-KYC with physical visit to a branch. It depends on the bank.
The other person probably meant only one KYC for all FDs with a bank. No need to do re-KYC for each FD with the same bank.