# Spot violent expiry and manipulation/Insider Trading
**URL:** https://tradingqna.com/t/spot-violent-expiry-and-manipulation-insider-trading/181346
**Category:** Trading
**Created:** [April 17, 2025, 7:54am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/spot-violent-expiry-and-manipulation-insider-trading/181346 "2025-04-17T07:54:15Z")
**Posts on this page:** 7
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### Author:  [@RB1990](https://tradingqna.com/u/RB1990)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2025, 9:28am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/spot-violent-expiry-and-manipulation-insider-trading/181346/22 "2025-04-18T09:28:54Z")
That’s true but maybe they were tipped off? I’ve seen so much illegal things in the last 3 years in the markets. Not just hedge funds but also listed comapnies not being honest about their debt levels and how they service them…
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### Author:  [@VijayNair](https://tradingqna.com/u/VijayNair)
#### Post date: [April 19, 2025, 4:12am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/spot-violent-expiry-and-manipulation-insider-trading/181346/23 "2025-04-19T04:12:10Z")
> [@BB789](#):
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> Could you explain why we had 400+ upmove on expiry, when retail clearly shorted calls, when there’s no definite news? Are you suggesting that pattern is the reason for 400+ upmove?
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> To me, this is definite manipulation. Almost half of the users here don’t disagree that it is - they’re saying “This is just the way it is - in India. Big players screw the little ones”. They just don’t want to term it “manipulation” or “scam” for wherever reason.
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> This is not a unknown phenomenon either. I’m not the only one making the claim. Hedge funds do as well:
Big money can move the market, that is never in doubt. But trying to spot the manipulation and profit from it is mighty tough, post here when you succeed 😛
If you want to experience ‘manipulation’, look at BanNifty in July 2024 😉
Btw small money can be nimble, which can also help, just a little.
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### Author:  [@Yogarajan\_V](https://tradingqna.com/u/Yogarajan_V)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2025, 2:39pm UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/spot-violent-expiry-and-manipulation-insider-trading/181346/24 "2025-04-21T14:39:09Z")
how or where do you get this two candle stick chart in a single chart?
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### Author:  [@BB789](https://tradingqna.com/u/BB789)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/spot-violent-expiry-and-manipulation-insider-trading/181346/25 "2025-04-21T14:57:17Z")
You can add it in Kite tradingview chart. But only in desktop.
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### Author:  [@BB789](https://tradingqna.com/u/BB789)
#### Post date: [July 4, 2025, 6:00am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/spot-violent-expiry-and-manipulation-insider-trading/181346/26 "2025-07-04T06:00:10Z")
> **[How Jane Street Tricked Indian Markets To Make Rs 43,000 Crore In Options...](https://www.ndtvprofit.com/markets/how-jane-street-tricked-indian-markets-to-make-rs-43000-crore-in-options-profit-explained)**
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### Author:  [@BB789](https://tradingqna.com/u/BB789)
#### Post date: [July 4, 2025, 6:04am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/spot-violent-expiry-and-manipulation-insider-trading/181346/27 "2025-07-04T06:04:11Z")
This strategy is consistent with Yesterday’s expiry as well. Peak in the afternoon and sell off at the end.
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### Author:  [@BB789](https://tradingqna.com/u/BB789)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2025, 10:17am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/spot-violent-expiry-and-manipulation-insider-trading/181346/28 "2025-11-14T10:17:29Z")
Amazing… Investors today suddenly realized that NDA won bihar elections exactly at 3pm,… which coincidentally just happened to be the start of closing price calculation for the index… and bought like crazy, pulling the index up from the low by 150 points in a few minutes.
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