# Subtle art of Marketing
**URL:** https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432
**Category:** General
**Created:** [August 29, 2024, 5:11am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432 "2024-08-29T05:11:47Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@Gauravydv](https://tradingqna.com/u/Gauravydv)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 5:11am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/1 "2024-08-29T05:11:47Z")
From last few days I am observing this gentleman, it seems he is a delivery swing trader and is very proudly showing his verified equity profits (thanks to bull market).
Okay Is that a problem? No not at all, it actually feels good when I see people making profits.
What’s the catch here?
Umm…Posting verified P&L link on every other topic/reply, even on the topics which were in hibernation since last few years. Sounds odd maybe, maybe not. Maybe he wants to share his happiness with everyone. Cute guy!
OR OR OR
There a youtube channel link on the verified P&L Page. Hmm dots are now connecting…post profit P&L everywhere → people will open the link → there will see another link → curiosity kicks in → Boom you have a new visitor on your channel/blog
But hey bro, that should not bother you, he may post whatever he wants. He is free to post any link.
Yes obviously, and It won’t bother me if people do it directly. But there smart methods always catches my attention. Just wanted to share some marketing lessons. No hate to anyone.
@Jason_Castelino @SpacemanSpiff ----- you guys know what I am saying
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### Author:  [@SpacemanSpiff](https://tradingqna.com/u/SpacemanSpiff)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 5:56am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/2 "2024-08-29T05:56:10Z")
Its not very subtle for me, its ok to be proud i guess but seems very premature.
I did not see any youtube link, just his mobile, but he did have a stupid make ‘daily 5000’ statement which doesn’t look good and seems like a loophole in console reports.
Those reports are also very limited anyway, and somewhat misleading - there is no % gain / % dd, and seems that they don’t show unrealized gains/losses which is another loophole which someone ( not him necessarily) can maybe abuse.
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### Author:  [@cvs](https://tradingqna.com/u/cvs)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 6:40am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/3 "2024-08-29T06:40:02Z")
If you are talking about the posts like these,
> [@Does these stocks recover anytime soon](https://tradingqna.com/t/does-these-stocks-recover-anytime-soon/172308/11):
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> brother i am also making money from market on regular basis . you must have shown whole pnl also instead of just upper part. it is Possible to make money on market on daily basis . This fact may be dream to you but there are people in market who makes money from market on consistent basis. Zerodha Pnl Link :- [Console – Zerodha](https://console.zerodha.com/verified/f2cee3a6)
Agreed that it’s definitely an **art** ,
to not be so overt as to get flagged/banned from the forum
for spamming or running a scam.
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### Author:  [@SG\_13](https://tradingqna.com/u/SG_13)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 6:58am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/4 "2024-08-29T06:58:24Z")
> [@Gauravydv](#):
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> Cute guy!
😂🤣
“The subtle art of sarcasm” 😉
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### Author:  [@Gauravydv](https://tradingqna.com/u/Gauravydv)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 7:40am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/5 "2024-08-29T07:40:22Z")
The definition of **“REGULAR”** in regular profits is 8 months 🙂
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### Author:  [@Gauravydv](https://tradingqna.com/u/Gauravydv)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 7:47am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/6 "2024-08-29T07:47:49Z")
This post was in my drafts since last month. At that time, there was a youtube channel link. Now there is a whatsapp number.
I wrote it and felt like why should I post it and ignored. But today when I saw their humble replies, they forced me to pull the chain.
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### Author:  [@SpacemanSpiff](https://tradingqna.com/u/SpacemanSpiff)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 9:07am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/8 "2024-08-29T09:07:57Z")
> [@Arun\_chandel](#):
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> Most of you seem concerned about the “Rs 5000” statement. I agree it’s against SEBI rules
Why not take it out ? It isn’t some earth shattering amount but someone in need will obviously get tempted and someone in need shouldn’t be trading.
Anyway, this has been raised enough so forum/z guys know about it and so its no longer a concern for me.
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27% is pretty good. I don’t disclose system details at all and prefer to make my own systems ( even if idea is same … ) . Probably best that you don’t disclose too.
But if it does not bother you and you really want to help people who cant trade, then you could simply write few posts about your system and other things that you believe are useful. And if forum rules allow, add affiliate links along with disclosure so that those who want can buy through your links. Good luck.
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### Author:  [@cvs](https://tradingqna.com/u/cvs)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 9:09am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/9 "2024-08-29T09:09:09Z")
> [@Arun\_chandel](#):
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> However, I’m providing value by answering queries to the best of my knowledge
Yes. 👍
This is precisely why some of the posts haven’t been flagged as spam. 🙂
@Arun_chandel assuming we are having this discussion in good faith,
would you mind NOT sharing your console PNL report on this forum every chance you get?
_(especially since your Console PNL has a misleading “call to action” that is not very different from typical scams)_.
Also, it’s generally good form to disclose inline/upfront when one has vested interests (eg. when posting affiliate links).
Furthermore, please be mindful of how often you post affiliate links on the forum. Please don’t be offended if any of your posts are flagged as spam. If that happens, just accept it as feedback and continue engaging on the forum without the promotional stuff.
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### Author:  [@SpacemanSpiff](https://tradingqna.com/u/SpacemanSpiff)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 9:51am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/12 "2024-08-29T09:51:12Z")
> [@Arun\_chandel](#):
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> I’m also a specialist in Facebook and YouTube ads. I’ve noticed that CTR rates tend to increase whenever the call to action is simple yet enticing
No idea about all of this.
> [@Arun\_chandel](#):
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> The most important aspect of trading is psychology, and that’s something you can’t teach.
i kinda agree as well as disagree.
Once you have a properly tested system and you take reasonable risk, psychology becomes very overrated. Automation helps a lot too. Now i am afraid to mess with anything in real time and in 4-5 years i have intervened only once - this year election news day which was a crazy day.
But yeah, i don’t think we can trust anyone else’s systems - esp in tough periods - without owning that system yourself. And psych issues then are probably inevitable.
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### Author:  [@Jason\_Castelino](https://tradingqna.com/u/Jason_Castelino)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 10:21am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/14 "2024-08-29T10:21:13Z")
Forget all that, how much did you make today? 😝
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### Author:  [@SpacemanSpiff](https://tradingqna.com/u/SpacemanSpiff)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 10:52am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/15 "2024-08-29T10:52:14Z")
> [@Arun\_chandel](#):
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> Brother, are you doing algo trading? If not, then psychology plays an important role, especially during tough times.
i used to trade with discretion, but then got tired of it and automated everything. Its much easier on mind. I have coding background too, i wrote my own scripts using ahk/c++ initially and these days everything in python.
SEBI might come up with api rules soon as per nithin, sucks as last time they came with completely boneheaded proposal that no one will follow. babus making stupid rules.
Will probably go back to stone age and automate through hacky ways. i used to trade via ahk scripts over Nest, even when trading with discretion.
> [@Arun\_chandel](#):
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> You can’t stay profitable in the market with just one tested system. In my experience, you need to keep evolving with the market. You can’t use the same strategy in bull, range-bound, and bear markets. Each market is different and needs to be traded in a unique way.
Dunno about overnight, and yeah i guess extended bear markets will probably be tough.
In intraday, no - my main system is running live for 5 years now, another running for 2+ years. Both working well and have decade + window of working in backtests. There are good times ( this year has been smashing) and there are tough times - overall it works.
But yeah , we do need to adapt/improve when needed.
> [@Jason\_Castelino](#):
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> Forget all that, how much did you make today?
He is trading overnight stocks, so probably not too affected if stops not hit and eventually everything is going up only these days.
Me - Small loss after being in decent profit. Longs stop hit and shorts profit reduced. Proper expiry day as it used to be many years ago. I dont think it happens like this these days too much. How was yours ? How is t7 option buying system working ? Recovered ?
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### Author:  [@Jason\_Castelino](https://tradingqna.com/u/Jason_Castelino)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/16 "2024-08-29T11:52:28Z")
> [@SpacemanSpiff](#):
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> He is trading overnight stocks, so probably not too affected if stops not hit and eventually everything is going up only these days.
You really thought I was checking about his returns? Come on, man.
> [@SpacemanSpiff](#):
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> How was yours ?
Excellent for a contra player like me. 😉
> [@SpacemanSpiff](#):
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> How is t7 option buying system working ? Recovered ?
Yeah. Totally. Now I guess it’s enough. From tomorrow, it’s better we go down south. 🤗
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### Author:  [@SpacemanSpiff](https://tradingqna.com/u/SpacemanSpiff)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 1:01pm UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/17 "2024-08-29T13:01:02Z")
> [@Jason\_Castelino](#):
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> You really thought I was checking about his returns? Come on, man.
i am giving him benefit of doubt for now. Probably did not make 5000, but he himself admitted that he says so because it works for advertisement.
> [@Jason\_Castelino](#):
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> Yeah. Totally. Now I guess it’s enough. From tomorrow, it’s better we go down south.
Good to hear.
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### Author:  [@VijayNair](https://tradingqna.com/u/VijayNair)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 1:06pm UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/18 "2024-08-29T13:06:55Z")
> [@Arun\_chandel](#):
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> I’ve noticed that CTR rates tend to increase whenever the call to action is simple yet enticing.
What’s the enticement for? What are you selling?
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### Author:  [@neha1101](https://tradingqna.com/u/neha1101)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/19 "2024-08-29T16:45:43Z")
> [@Arun\_chandel](#):
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> 1. Neha mentioned she got a 28% return on Nifty ETF last year, but her return would have been zero between October 2021 and October 2023. For two years, her money would have been locked with zero return, whereas during that same period, my setup provided a 27.8% return.
Can you someone explain how this happened. Zero return? Goodness me… All these years I was happy thinking I was making money…
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>
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It says for the last 5 years annualised return is 18.99%. Where did zero come from…Since inception 13.70%
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### Author:  [@SG\_13](https://tradingqna.com/u/SG_13)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://tradingqna.com/t/subtle-art-of-marketing/172432/20 "2024-08-29T17:10:15Z")
Maybe u r confusing annualized return (growth rate) with annual return.
Forget NIL return, an index or fund could have delivered a negative return in a particular year, but the CAGR/annualized return could show a positive value, as it tries to average the returns earned across a given number of years.
I am using a simple average for example (instead of compounding)
Assume Nifty delivered the following annual returns.
Year 1 : 10%
Year 2 : - 2%
Year 3 : 30%
The Average return for 1 year = 10%
The Average return for 2 years = (10 - 2)/ 2 = 4%
The Average return for 3 years would be = (10 + 30 -2)/ 3 = 12.67%
Here you can see that despite the negative return in year 2, the average return for 2 years would be 4%, meaning that the price grew at an annual rate of 4% across two years.
So there can be negative or nil returns during some years, as long as one stays invested and doesn’t sell during the slump period, the returns will get averaged out and the postive returns of earlier years will dilute the actual impact. Keeping the CAGR positive.
This is precisely why just the CAGR alone won’t tell the full story of how a stock or fund has performed in a given year. (Rolling returns should be used)
A fund earning higher return in say year 2024 will be able to average out this return and still show a positive CAGR, even if in the following 3 years it delivers negative or NIL return.
> [@neha1101](#):
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> Can you someone explain how this happened. Zero return? Goodness me
Here if someone has entered and exited during this specific period (October 2021 and October 2023) only then, they would have made NIL return.
It also involves the assumption that you invested in the Nifty during it peek etc.