Why is there a Coin and Kite? Why can’t all of Zerodha’s apps be rolled into one?" is a question that comes up often.
The reasons are manifold and complex and are made up of important business and technical reasons. So I requested K (Kailash), the man behind all our products to answer this. Find below.
Why is there a Coin and Kite? Why can’t all of Zerodha’s apps be rolled into one?" is a question that comes up often.
As answered by K (Kailash)
While all of Zerodha’s products fall under the “investmentTech” umbrella, they differ considerably from each other. Kite is near real time application purpose built for fast intraday trading. Uptime is everything owing to its real time nature. Underneath its neat UI, there is an extremely complex stack. We’ve seen the chaos that rises when something goes wrong, often things that are completely out of our hands such as faults in exchange leased lines.
On the other hand, Coin is a relaxed, passive investment app. It’s aimed at a different market segment altogether, and any potential bursts of downtime may not significantly effect on anyone’s investment experience. Active traders access Kite for several hours every day, while mutual fund investors open the Coin app once in a while at their leisure. The business use cases and UX on these two applications are fundamentally different, and to a large extent, so are the target markets. The UI and UX of these applications are designed to cater to these different requirements and target markets. Coin is relaxed, is more visually appealing with colourful graphics. Kite cuts the chase straight to the point with dense, critical information.
Now imagine these two applications being rolled into a single app. They would have to have the same visual elements and UI for consistency. The neat mutual fund investment and SIP window would have to be redone to look like the Kite order window. The cards that show mutual fund investments will have to be rewired to fit the information dense equity holdings view of Kite. All of this for UI consistency just because they’d be crammed into the same application.
Also, there’d be no more Coin, obviously. It’d just be another tab on Kite. Now imagine promoting this application to the passive investment crowd who are only interested in mutual funds. The pitch would be along the lines of “Download the Kite app and click on the “mutual funds tab”. Skip positions, holdings, marketwatch, margins etc. as they are not relevant to mutual funds”. Imagine the horror!
Let’s consider Sentinel which is a utility that lets users set various triggers and price alerts on instruments. This is available to the general public and not just clients of Zerodha. How could it then be possibly integrated into Kite that only permits Zerodha’s users to login? The product couldn’t have exited in its current form.
Let’s consider one more example, Console, our new back office. It’s the central dashboard where a user will access all their information pertaining to their Zerodha account, from exhaustive trade reports to tax reports and PDFs of their account opening forms. In its own right, Console has a dozen (and growing) or so unique screens that present different kinds of complex information. The profit and loss report tables occupy 90% of the screen to accommodate a large number of columns. Now imagine this being incorporated into Kite’s UI. Not only will these screens be confined into a “reports” menu and would be difficult to navigate, Kite’s non-wide screen layout would make it impossible to present the large report tables Console produces in any meaningful manner. Imagine the snappy and lightweight Kite being bogged by dozens of reports and rarely used PDF downloads. The use cases just do not align.
We’ve hypothesized with several examples here. Extend that a bit and imagine what would happen to Kite as Coin, Sentinel, Console (and more …) products rolled into it. Kite will become clunkier. The UI will become crowded and confusing. As a business, instead of thinking “hey, let’s add this feature to Coin and make it better”, we’d be thinking, “hm, if we add this new thing to the mutual funds tab on Kite, what all will break? Oh now, we can’t visualize mutual funds as little coins for easy navigation because that’s not compaible with Kite’s UI pattern”. The freedom of continuously improving Kite’s trading feature and Coin’s investment feature in their own rights, in ways that are fundamentally suitable to those business use cases and product experiences will cease to exist. By keeping these products separate and giving them their own identities, we’re doing them justice and are constantly improving them in ways where they shine in their verticals, without having to worry about other products.
Google’s free office suite, Docs, Sheets, Present etc. are all separate products that work seamlessly with each other. How’d it be if all those separate tools were condensed into a single application? Consolidation is the exception and verticals are the norm, as the former is impractical to scale in meaningful ways. Social networking, messaging, photo and video sharing–Facebook + Whatsapp + Instagram, they all do it. Now why hasn’t Facebook folded these apps into one? Imagine how terrible and cluttered the experience would be. It’d just alienate the target crowds completely and ruin all the apps.
Business wise, it is an impractical and unwise proposition to make a kitchensink app.
To make it easy for the users, all our applications are deep-linked. They all have a single login, and they are carefully linked to each other in the right contexts, for instance, the “Set alert” option that shows up over contract names in Kite will seamlessly open Sentinel without the need for a separate login, and the contract will appear pre-selected on the UI. This is how we’ve been building our plug-and-play Kite Connect ecosystem which enables us (and aspiring developers and startups) to be creative with new products. They plug into our ecosystem seamlessly without disrupting the core applications. Smallcase, Streak, Sensibull, these are all great applications built by different companies. They’re free to build and run their businesses as they see fit as they have the freedom to plug-and-play. Imagine if they had to build their products as screens into Kite!
As mentioned earlier, Kite is a highly sensitive, real time trading application with a very complex backend. Coin, for instance, on the other hand, is on the opposite side of the spectrum. The underlying technologies and stacks are totally different. The developers who work on them have different skill sets. The infrastructure required is different. The pace and style of development is different. The product offerings and the UX are different and the designers have to step into different shoes to create them. They represent completely different business verticals, target markets, and even regulations.
Kite may internally get several updates per day. Coin may get once every week. If they were one app, every time something changed in one of their screens, the entire application would have to be updated for everyone, again, a highly impractical scenario.
Now imagine there’s a bug in Coin that affects the app adversely. If Coin was within Kite, it could just take Kite down with it! This would create a huge predicament as every feature, every new screen that is added to an application creates added complexities and an unknown number of new pathways where something can go wrong. When you have one mega app that does everything, any issue that crops up has the potential to shut the entire thing down. It would be impossible to develop and release new products and features like we do today.
There are a large number of specific technical reasons that warrant separation of concerns in fundamentally different products and applications, just like their business counterparts. It’s unnecessary to enumerate them here as there are more than enough business and product reasons to preclude the whole idea of “kitchen-sinking” applications.
How do you view something like Amazon Pantry, Amazon Fashion and Amazon which are all rolled up into one ?
I don’t think this is the right comparison. You are shopping for Pantry and Fashion, similar to everything else on Amazon. So you might have different marketing pages, but they all fit together in terms of buying experience.
Imagine Alexa, Primevideo, AWS, etc (All Amazon products) showed up on Amazon.in along with online shopping.
You can compare this to Amazon Now, which is a different app.
Interesting. I dont think AWS is as adjacent a product to Amazon as price alerts is to a broker screen. I would guess that in a full service broker a new user is subsidizing the consumption of products/services of a more advanced user. I think Zerodha made an itunes out of broker services which is more al la carte.
Perfect example! @nithin
I don’t think anything that is realtime in nature should be compromised with. If any kind of lagging or inconvenience take place then people will again start shouting that your service is not up to the mark. Anyway… trading (platform) is a serious business.
My two cents:-
People don’t like too many apps on their mobile phone. Space constraint, phone gets slow .etc .etc. In the case of wealth management/ investment, the actions are buying and selling only. Zerodha is a marketplace in the end. In the context of Amazon Pantry and Fashion .etc. buy is an action for an end user. Prime is a separate app because there your action is to spend time. Imagine, your bank has separate apps for doing online fund transfers and separate for Fixed Deposits.
Knowing Coin being a tool for passive investment, should it mean giving the web version seconary treatment by restricting AMC SIP to the mobile app only?
Zerodha apps are not seamless. If you log in to Coin, to log in to smallcase or Kite it would ask to login again (in case of vice-versa too). Doesn’t happen with Google Apps or even Amazon and Primevideo for that matter. Not to forget typing ID and password and answering the security questions every time.
Some of these are due to regulatory requirements. We don’t get to work in an unregulated environment like Amazon and most of the other online businesses. I guess we should be compared to banks, who have to work in similar regulatory environment like us when building out products.
About the other two bits
I guess K has already explained why. And this strategy is paying off for us as a business. People today come to us only for Coin, or only for Smallcase, etc. Yes, in terms of reporting - we intend to tie them all together on our new reporting tool Console.
Everyone is moving to mobile. Over 70% already for Coin and going up fast. Especially for Coin, we will definitely focus more on mobile than web.
I understand that, but at the same time, rules are written by people like you and me. And if you look deeper, one can play well within those rules. I have not read the guidelines, still suggesting scope of improvement:-
- While signing up for any zerodha product be it kite or coin, if there is check-box auto ticked - Allow universal sign up for all Zerodha apps. [Read More]
Something like this? So it does not ask you to login again for other app. Because you have taken user’s consent for universal signup.
Or maybe the way how login with Google or Facebook works, when you press the button, it opens google/fb login overlay module and asks user to enter password for first time. In another app if you tap login with google, because you have already logged in using Google in previous app, this time it takes it from the previous logged in details and does not ask you for password again. Similarly, if the Kite login can be built so it does not ask you for password repeatedly if you have signed it once in any of the apps. It becomes seamless then.
- Also, instead of user ID only, if it asks - enter user ID or your registered email address (like Sharekhan asks), you would see more people would sign up using their email address as it is personal to them. They created it, and using it day in and out, and they remember it.
Please focus on Mobile app. But not at the cost of discriminating the web version. Allow AMC SIP on the web also and “let people choose what they want.” To focus on app, make the value added services there, but the basic ability to invest in funds like Reliance small cap or Sbi small cap etc should be available across the platforms. Think from user’s point of view. They don’t understand or care if AMC SIP is available on Mobile app only because of your limitation.
I rest my case.
We have. Mobile app on any given day vs Coin Web. My friends who invest on Coin overwhelmingly prefer Coin. I don’t get why this is a big deal.