Best place to park cash now?

Now that we have had rate cuts, what is the most attractive place to park cash?

So far, I was using a Cooperate bond fund which was going at the rate of a solid 10% per annum. While I did see the one of spike in the fund NAV, I assume the growth will now be slower. I also kept some in an IDFC Bank account which has monthly interest compounding and high interest rates compared to others.

I see cooperate bonds with YTM of 10%+. Is there any mutual fund which exclusively deals with such high yielding bonds?

Lots of corporate bond funds are available on coin with no exit load - like this one. You can park in them for short term. With rate cuts happening, higher rate bonds will have higher market value so they should give even better returns in the short term. That’s my understanding but I have been wrong about it too lately - personally have money in SBI Crisil IBX 2036 fund, but its been on a downswing for last 2 weeks and all profits I had in it went into losses. Not sure why they have gone down so much in the last 2 weeks as its hard to track bond price movements. But in 2-3 months time they will bounce back and give good returns.

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Here are some of the issues with the line of thinking in the original post.

  1. The assumption that the rate-cut is (and will be) the predominant factor that determines the rate-of-return for various investments might not hold good. For example, risks and liquidity have been the dominant factors.
  1. The horizon of investment is unclear. “Park” for how long?
    How soon does one need to be able to liquidate the assets?
    A day? A week? A few months?

The generic answer to this generic question is -
The asset that offers the risks that you are willing to take.

So, the follow-up question is -
What are the risks that align with
your strategy to invest the capital in this “park cash” bucket ?
What do you intend to park this cash for?
When (any timeline / any triggering event) do you expect to liquidate it?


Not sure why it has fallen , but will bounce back in 2-3 months? :thinking:
Is there an implicit “Hopefully…”, or what’s the thought-process behind this assertion?

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Not really interested in sharing my thought-process behind it. I have been seeing your recent posts and you preach far and long but have no material, so I will not bother engaging with you. The OP asked a simple question and here you are posting far and long with no real ideas or suggestions. Cheers!

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Since, it is not apparent from the previous comment, let me reiterate it a bit more explicitly.

My prevous comment above is asserting that the question is fundamentally flawed (incomplete),
and hence any attempts to answer it will end-up being incomplete (as need to be based on assumptions).

…and the comment further goes on to assert that
the OP (and others who come across this thread)
will be better served by digging a little bit deeper.


i question (almost) everything that i see on this forum (as i expect everyone to, as well).
This is mostly in an attempt to highlight ambiguities, opinions masquerading as facts,
and hopefully go beyond “i think so…” comments to “…and here’s why…” comments, on this forum, to learn.

(i do understand that one cannot force anyone to engage, but here’s one more try :person_shrugging:t4:)

@zoomtrader i wish that my previous comment above hadn’t irritated you :face_with_diagonal_mouth:.
I genuinely wish to see justifications backing any statement (if there are any), or clarifications as to why something is more likely than not, or logical counter-arguments wherever applicable.

Hopefully, you do end-up seeing how these details can improve the existing comments in this topic-thread to something more useful to the OP (and others in a similar situation who come across this topic-thread), and look beyond my facade that you find annoying, and provide clarifications/justifications/counter-arguments to the subject-matter.

High yield does not come for free, there is some risk somewhere most of the time.
i used to invest in corp bond mutual funds long ago. Maybe we are in better days, but in past many of them would lose all of the surplus gains and then some more if things go south in some of the companies.

Has happened quite a few times. I stopped investing in them.

Bigger problem is that they tend to give liquidity while holding illiquid assets. If things are going bad big money generally is early to exit. Good liquid holdings get used to give them exit and then the ones holding the bag are left with now badly rated bonds with very high holding % ( as liquid ones got sold off ). I remember one of tata fund holding 30% of some shit.

Just not worth the trouble for peanuts.
So i don’t bother with funds holing lower rated bonds at all. Only take slight duration risks in part of the portfolio.
ICICI gilt / ICICI all seasons / SBI gilt are decent funds for that ( more conservative than all out 10y type funds).

Thanks, yea for now I will not encash the debt funds as they in net loss at the moment. will wait for them to come into profits now. In no rush so its cool.

This recent dip in GILTS is what caused a fall in net profits lol. This is from AXIS GILT fund

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Dear @zoomtrader ,

Want to learn more about the recent dip in the debt fund . Is this because of the fall in net profit or fall in daily accruals . Majority of the interest is coming from the Government Gsec , so because of the recent fall interest reduced the debt fund profit . Is this the reason its falling ? or some thing else .

Joined 3 days ago, used forum for 3 hrs.
Has nothing better to do then attack someone in forum who contributes much more.
That too by hiding behind a new id.

Must be a fun guy …

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While we wait for @zoomtrader and others to share their views,
let me take a stab at it since i am here and have nothing better to do, right now. :nerd_face:

Neither.

Looking at the current holdings of these debt mutual funds,
the drop is the NAV of the debt mutual-funds discussed in this topic-thread
is due to the drop in the traded price (on the secondary markets - NSE, BSE)
of atleast some of the constituents (GSECS and SDLs) of these debt mutual funds.

Since the NAV of these mutual-funds is marked-to-market,
the NAV drops irrespective of the fact that
the future cash-flows…

  • periodic fixed interest payments
  • fixed principal repayment upon maturity

…associated with the underlying bonds if held to maturity continue to be the same.

The lower NAV of these debt mutual funds reflects the expected lower price if the underlying assets were attempted to be sold in the market today.

Note that some of the underlying GSECs and SDLs of these specific mutual funds are illiquid and their recent LTP (which is being used to calculate the NAV) is NOT an indicative price if one were to actually attempt to sell such illiquid instruments in the secondary market. Marking to market a debt-fund’s NAV using LTP of the underlying illiquid bonds, is a “least wrong out of the various available options” approach to evaluate a debt fund.

No. The recent change in repo-rate announced by RBI has no impact on the interest that these fixed-coupon GSECs and SDLs pay-out. Irrespective of any changes to the prevailing RBI repo-rate, these fixed-coupon securities will continue to pay-out the exact same rate-of-interest until they mature.

In fact, conventional wisdom states that,
when repo-rate falls, existing bonds will increase in value,
i.e the NAV of debt funds holding such bonds should increase.

Here's the *chain of logic* behind the above conventional wisdom -
  1. Repo-rate reduced.

  2. The cost of borrowing from RBI is reduced.

  3. All subsequent fund-raising using debt instruments will be cheaper.

    • why? Because if a lender gets their funds from RBI cheaper (due to 2 above), they can afford to lend at cheaper rates while retaining their margin.
  4. Even sovereign bonds (Govt. borrowing using GSEC/SDL debt instrument) is cheaper

    • Any GSECs/SDLs issued now are expected to have lower interest-rate/coupon-payments.
  5. Any previously issued GSECs/SDLs having higher interest payments are now more attractive to hold as they pay more interest than currently issued GSEC/SDL.
    eg. Consider a 10yr GSEC issued in 2020 vs. a 5 year GSEC being issued now,

    • the issuer is the same = same sovereign risk.
    • whichever offers a higher coupon rate = higher return at the same risk.
  6. Increased demand for previously issued GSEC/SDL results in higher prices for them until the YTM (effective rate of return) is similar to the rate of return current GSEC/SDL.

  7. The increased price at which previously issued GSECs/SDLs were traded, result in a higher NAV for any Debt mutual funds holding them.

Debt mutual funds expecting a repo-rate cut would have deployed a Duration strategy i.e. invested in bonds that are maturing in the distant future, whose prices are expected to be the most significant to increase following a repo-rate cut,

For more details of the math/accounting behind this,
checkout Duration sensitivity and Present value of future cash flows.


So,
in the light of the repo-rate drop announcement by RBI
contrary to conventional wisdom,
why did the NAV of popular debt funds fall?

One aspect to check is whether the current unexpected LTP of the underlying illiquid GSECs / SDLs is backed by any significant volume/number of trades. If not, then the current NAV is based on an anomalous trade and will soon be righted. However, this is not trivial to determine unless one is already monitoring the underlying debt instruments on the secondary market. This is what was alluded to earlier in this topic-thread -

If sticking with conventional wisdom, one would wait for the next upcoming sovereign bond issue, and if as expected they end-up with lower yields, one would then expect the previously issued GSECs/SDLs held by these debt mutual funds to recover their value due to increased demand at higher prices. Probably this is what was being alluded to by this comment. (or maybe other aspects exist that i am overlooking).

However, that is NOT a guaranteed scenario.

If the overall demand for debt itself reduces, due to a significant shift to equity from debt (Which BTW, is also one of the expected outcomes due to the current change in RBI’s stance and expecte increase in inflation in the near term), then the lower prices of these debt instruments (and lower NAV of debt mutual funds holding them) will stick around for longer, until some of the macroeconomic factors change. But, at this point, we are in pure speculation territory.

Coming back to reality,
If one has the patience and know-how to review the price-history, traded-volumes, ask-bids history of the constituent GSECs and SDLs of the debt mutual funds discussed in this topic-thread, then there is potentially some money to be made in the near future. Potentially. :wink:


References:

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Dear @cvs ,

Thank you for the detailed explanation; it helped me gain a better understanding. Kindly verify my understanding and let me know if I’m mistaken.

Why Did the NAV of Debt Mutual Funds Fall Recently?

  • Not due to fall in net profit or interest accruals
  • The drop in NAV is because some G-Secs and SDLs held by these funds saw a fall in traded prices on secondary markets (NSE/BSE).
  • These funds use mark-to-market valuation, so NAV reflects current market price—not future interest or principal payments.

But Aren’t These Bonds Fixed Income?

  • Yes, the interest and principal payouts are fixed and unaffected by RBI’s repo-rate changes.
  • However, their market prices fluctuate, especially if they are illiquid (less frequently traded), making NAV volatile.

Shouldn’t a Repo-Rate Cut Increase NAVs?

  • Conventional wisdom says yes: falling repo rates usually increase bond prices, especially long-duration ones.
  • But in this case, illiquid or low-volume trades may have temporarily pushed prices down, affecting NAV abnormally.

Will the NAVs Recover Soon?

  • Possibly, especially if upcoming government bond issues have lower yields , which would increase demand for existing higher-yield bonds.
  • But no guarantee: If debt loses favor to equity (e.g., due to rising inflation expectations), demand may stay low, and prices may remain depressed.

Takeaway:

  • The recent fall in NAVs is likely due to technical pricing issues in secondary markets, not fundamentals like falling income or repo-rate cuts.
  • If We understand bond pricing and volume trends, there might be opportunity for gains—but there are risks, and recovery isn’t guaranteed.

Yes, looks like a good summary of observations, without going into all the details.
( i see that this summary has made it into the mega-thread with a wide range of assorted references -
101 question and answers - Basics Learned from Tradingqna - #18 by sandeep_cs :+1:t4:)


As an example,
looking at the recent price trends of

  • AXIS GILT Fund
  • and its most significant (~40% of the fund) constituent (734GS2064) on NSE,

  • One can see how the price movement of the major constituent GSEC (~40%) happens to reflect in the NAV of the debt fund.

  • The other aspect to note is the daily-traded volume of the above GSEC during the recent down-trend

    • is not very large (~50L INR / day) in absolute terms for sovereign bonds (GSECs, TBills).
    • is the highest sustained volume, relatively speaking in the history of this specific GSEC (since its issue last year).
  • GSECs pay-out interest semi-annually (734GS2064 pays-out on 22-Apr and 22-Oct each year). Bond holders holding this GSEC on the record-date receive the entire interest for the 6-month duration. An extreme example of this in action is earning the interest for the entire 6-month period by acquiring the bond just 1day before the record-date. Taking this into account, the price of a GSEC on the secondary markets (NSE,BSE) will increase as one approaches the GSEC’s record-date. This shows-up as “saw-tooth” patterns of 6-month duration in the price-trends of GSECs in the secondary markets like NSE/BSE.

The NAV of a Debt fund
is a result of the combined effect of a bunch of such factors
on each of the constituent bonds.

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So you flagged his post. Damn. I was not in time to read what he said. Missed it. :smiling_face_with_tear:

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Just calling names and guessing his employment status lol…
He probably has another id and for some reason seems to be angry at him, angry enough to take the effort of creating another id.

Maybe he disagrees with him for something, dunno.

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Sad. He must have thought this is moneycontrol forum. :disappointed_relieved: