How to invest 40 lakhs for retirement corpus in 20 years

Hello everyone,

I’m 42 years old, married, with a 10-month-old baby. My wife also earns, and we’ve already started a Sukanya Samriddhi Yojana (SSY) for our daughter. I also have ₹10L in my PPF account.

I’ve set aside ₹10L as an emergency fund and currently have ₹40L parked in my savings account. My monthly household expenses are about ₹70,000, and I manage to save around ₹60,000 every month.

Recently, I spoke with a financial advisor from HDFC. He suggested that since I don’t need the ₹40L immediately, I could move it to a liquid fund and do a Systematic Transfer Plan (STP) of ₹1L per month into HDFC mutual funds. He also recommended starting a SIP of ₹50,000/month alongside.

Using retirement calculators, I’ve estimated that I would need a corpus of around ₹6 crore at retirement.

Does this sound like a reasonable strategy to you? Would love to hear your thoughts, suggestions, or alternate approaches.

Thanks in advance!

Nothing wrong with SIP/STP or HDFC mutual funds, but stay away from bank relationship managers and regular funds. They are only driven by commissions and will make all sorts of false promises to get your money.

What you need is a SEBI registered fee only financial advisor. They will charge a one time upfront fee rather than lifelong commissions (which is the case for regular funds). Since they don’t work on commissions their advice is un-biased and more cost-effective in the long run.

https://www.feeonlyindia.com/

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Thank you. I will look into this.
I also tried asking AI. Plz comment on the advice.
Here = ChatGPT - Personal Finance Planning Expert

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NOTE: Sharing first impressions based on limited info from the details in the original post and the shared LLM-chat . Please correct any incorrect assumptions and share additional details for further relevant discussions.

With 70K monthly-expenses from a monthly-income of 1.3L,
for a couple with an infant,
(i.e. presumably one hasn’t even hit one’s peak expense yet,
which is expected over the next 2 decades),
the 40L asset/cash appears to be extremely critical
and sufficient parts of it must be liquid at key points of time in future,
to avoid missing the key goals in future.

a. Are you aware of the various generic assumptions made by the retirement calculators you used?
b. Do they match your own planned lifestyle choices (now and in the future)?
c. When do you intend to retire? (in the LLM-chat it is mentioned 65)
d. Over the years, has physical / mental fitness been taken care of (and is still being taken care of) to be productive till you are 65 years of age?
e. Are you confident of being gainfully employed to completely cover your expenses and investments till you retire (till 2047?) ?
f. Are there any other reliable/guaranteed sources of income? (regular/sporadic? in-future?)

IMHO, while financial planning, folks are usually optimistic,
i.e. the worst-case assumptions are not worse enough.
Thus, there is less of a buffer against unforeseen situations.

For example, a bunch of typical expenses are not discussed in the LLM-chat shared.
Not sure if those expenses do not apply (due to specific lifestyle choices),
or if not accounting for them is an oversight.

A list of few potential sporadic expenses...
Category Example Expenses Not Explicitly Covered in the LLM-chat
Children’s Education College, coaching, study abroad, extra-curriculars
Children’s Marriage Wedding, gifts, ceremonies
Home Purchase, major repairs, taxes, interiors
Vehicle New car, major repairs, insurance gaps
Health Dental, vision, long-term care, mental health
Family Support Parents’/siblings’ needs, emergencies
Legal/Compliance Legal fees, tax penalties
Lifestyle Gadgets, hobbies, festivals, gifts
Travel Domestic, emergency, other international trips
Inflation On any unplanned or under-budgeted item
Children’s Misc Special needs, gadgets, tuition, school trips
Insurance Gaps Exclusions, premium hikes, critical illness
Retirement Upgrades Relocation, hobbies, lifestyle changes
Miscellaneous Fraud, disaster, litigation, regulatory fines
Technology Subscriptions, online learning, device upgrades
Professional Certifications, conferences, career change
Business Side hustle losses, seed capital
Pets Vet care, food, emergencies
Social/Community Donations, community events, religious functions
Government/Regulatory Renewals, fines, compliance
Aging Parents Elder care, funeral costs
Children’s Opportunities Competitions, exchange programs
Relocation Job transfer, emigration, moving costs
Personal Emergencies Divorce, rehab, legal fees
Asset Replacement Appliances, electronics, home goods
Security/Safety Home security, cyber protection
Environmental Water/air solutions, disaster recovery
Legal/Inheritance Will, inheritance settlement
Miscellaneous Lost items, unplanned celebrations
Children’s Entrepreneurship Seed funding, creative projects
Uninsured Damages Rental/property damage, liability
Taxation Surprises Capital gains, gift tax

are all of these already accounted for

  • either in the “average monthly expense” ?
  • or in the “emergency fund” ?
    :thinking:

How many of these expenses need to occur
simultaneously / close enough to each other in time,
to end-up depleting the monthly-expense + emergency-fund,
and force one to dip into other investments,
at the risk of derailing the long-term “financial plan” that we have come-up with so far? -
2? 5? 10?

Also, thinking of this as a dichotomy (only 2 choices) will incorrectly force one to either

  • Settle for less risky investment options with fairly predictable liquidity.
    • and guarantee missing some(all?) of the goals.
      or
  • Settle for more risky investment options (higher volatility? less liquidity?)
    • and face a higher likelihood of NOT being able to achieve one’s goals.

A third choice is to limit/avoid expenses, especially lifestyle inflation.

  • Doing this earlier can be more rewarding, due to compounding of investments over time.
  • Doing this enables one to tweak one’s investments (to achieve one’s future goals)
    towards instruments with higher likehood of success.

Depending on the number of uncertainties involved,
that one is unable to rule-out,
IMHO, it sounds prudent to affect a change in the lifestyle now to reduce expenses,
and calculate a revised investment strategy
that achieves the same returns as what one already had in mind,
but with a better chance of success.


One of the major challenges with using LLMs is they are like Suppandi from Tinkle, often taking statements too literally and ignoring even basic assumptions (that humans usually make) if such assumptions are not explicitly specified in the instructions.

We can leverage LLMs themselves to highlight a few actual instances of this! :wink:
Try continuing the LLM-chat shared above with the following prompt -

"Prepare a comprehensive list of all potential scenarios 
in which the above plan will fail to achieve 
(or will only partially achieve) 
one or more of the goals."

For example,
IIUC, one such potential issue is
not accounting for the 2nd child’s education.

The LLM appears to have interpreted the following prompt…

give me in charts ur financial structure and planning … for …

2. Child Schooling
3. 2nd Child.

…to mean - “Plan for educating the first child and the birth of a 2nd child.”
Thus, it looks like the proposed financial plan shared by the LLM,
ignores finances required for the 2nd child’s education.
Right? :thinking:

Source: Section '5. Goal-Specific Risks' of a follow-up LLM-chat.

Few potential scenarios in which the proposed financial plan may fail to achieve (or only partially achieve) one or more of the stated goals.

1. Market-Related Risks

  • Prolonged Bear Market or Low Returns:
    If equity markets underperform for a decade or more (e.g., <7% CAGR), your ₹30L STP and SIPs may not compound enough to reach the ₹6–7 crore retirement target.
    Partial achievement: Retirement corpus may fall short, requiring lifestyle adjustments or delayed retirement.
  • Sharp Market Crash Early in STP:
    If a major crash happens in the first 12–18 months of STP, a large portion of your ₹30L may be invested at high NAVs, reducing long-term returns.
  • Debt Fund Defaults or Credit Events:
    If the liquid/short-term debt funds used for STP or buffers face credit events, you could lose capital or face delays in accessing funds for short-term needs.

2. Inflation Risks

  • Higher-than-Expected Inflation:
    If education, healthcare, or travel costs rise faster than assumed (e.g., >8%/year), your earmarked buffers (₹5L for schooling, ₹12k/month SIP for Europe) may be insufficient.
  • Lifestyle Inflation:
    If your expenses rise faster than your income (e.g., due to lifestyle upgrades, private schooling, etc.), your surplus for SIPs may shrink, reducing long-term corpus.

3. Income & Employment Risks

  • Job Loss or Salary Stagnation:
    If you or your wife lose your job, or if salary increments are lower than expected, you may not be able to maintain the ₹30k/month SIP or replenish emergency funds after a drawdown.
  • Forced Early Retirement or Health Issues:
    If you are forced to retire early due to health or job market changes, the corpus may not be sufficient.

4. Expense Shocks & Life Events

  • Major Health Emergency Exceeding Insurance:
    If a health event costs more than your insurance + emergency fund (e.g., rare illness, long-term care), you may need to dip into retirement or education funds.
  • Second Child Complications:
    If delivery or neonatal care costs are much higher than planned, or if insurance does not cover certain expenses, you may need to use more of your buffer, impacting other goals.
  • Multiple Large Expenses in Short Succession:
    If schooling, health, and travel needs coincide (e.g., in the same year), your buffers may be depleted, forcing you to redeem long-term investments early (hurting compounding).

5. Goal-Specific Risks

  • Child’s Schooling Costs Underestimated:
    If you opt for a more expensive school, or if fees rise sharply, the ₹4L buffer and annual surplus may not be enough.
  • Europe Trip Cost Overruns:
    If the rupee depreciates, or travel costs spike, the ₹12k/month SIP may not be enough for a family of four.
  • Second Child’s Education/Needs:
    If you have a second child, future education and other costs will double, but the plan only earmarks for one child’s schooling and SSY.

6. Liquidity & Access Risks

  • Lock-in or Redemption Delays:
    If you need funds urgently (e.g., for health or schooling) but they are in funds with exit loads or redemption delays, you may face a cash crunch.
  • Taxation Changes:
    If tax laws change (e.g., higher tax on debt/equity funds), post-tax returns may be lower than planned.

7. Behavioral & Execution Risks

  • Discipline Lapses:
    If you skip SIPs, redeem funds early, or fail to top-up SIPs as income grows, corpus targets will not be met.
  • Overconfidence or Panic:
    If you panic during a market crash and stop STP/SIP or redeem equity, you lock in losses and miss the compounding benefit.

8. Other Unforeseen Events

  • Regulatory or Policy Changes:
    Changes in mutual fund regulations, PPF/SSY rules, or capital controls could impact liquidity or returns.
  • Family Emergencies or Obligations:
    Extended family support, legal issues, or other obligations could require large, unplanned outflows.

Summary Table

Scenario Type Example Failure Mode Impacted Goal(s)
Market Risk Prolonged low returns, early crash Retirement, Europe trip, all
Inflation Risk School/travel/health costs rise faster than planned Schooling, Europe, health
Income/Job Risk Job loss, salary stagnation All (esp. SIPs, buffers)
Expense Shock Major health, 2nd child complications, multiple events Health, schooling, all
Goal-Specific Underestimated costs, 2nd child not planned for Schooling, travel, retirement
Liquidity/Access Redemption delays, tax changes All (esp. emergencies)
Behavioral/Execution Skipped SIPs, panic selling, lack of top-up Retirement, all
Unforeseen/Regulatory Policy changes, family obligations All

Key Takeaway

The plan is robust for “expected” scenarios, but will only partially achieve or may fail for one or more goals if:

  • There are multiple large, unplanned expenses,
  • Market returns are much lower than expected,
  • Income does not grow as planned,
  • You are unable to maintain discipline or adapt the plan as life changes.

Regular review and flexibility are essential.


Another major issue with using LLMs is that they are sycophantic by design. For example, while financial planning in an LLM-chat, we need to constantly ensure that the false praise by the LLMs in the chat, (eg. equating basic follow-up Qs to “great catch”, “thinking like a family CFO” in the shared LLM-chat), does not limit us into thinking that we are anywhere close to a decent financial plan. :sweat_smile:

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Frankly dont take any plans sold by HDFC and other investment firms. They will bite away your capital in the name of consultation fees. And dont, i repeat, DON’T buy “Regular” mutual funds. Only “Direct” ones.

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This part is extremely bad recommendation. Many of HDFC’s funds are performing very poorly. Do not invest in them. The salesman is not looking at your best interest. He is just trying to make a commission and a sale.

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I saw your other posts. Some people have already given good insights. You should follow them. What the HDFC person told you has already been said in your older posts. Put money into liquid fund and start STP. Find few good funds across different AMCs and invest regularly.

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Thanks. You just decimated the LLM.

Yes, only direct funds.

I dropped the idea of regular funds( HDFC or else) and have opted for a fee only financial planner’s advice from feeonlyindia.com. Hoping for a positive outcome.

a. Yes, it used 7% inflation each year ( I am using NISM calculator = Retirement Calculator – Plan Your Retirement Smartly | NISM)

b. Yes, same as above
c. 65 years
d. Yes. I do my blood tests every 3 months; normal till now, no smoking, no boozing. Health insurance 30 lakhs.
e. Cant predict the future, but I am more or less confident, I am right now in the 11th year of being employed in the same organization.
f. None. but can explore.

please elaborate. How much % cut of monthly expenses is practically feasible?

I have a PPF which matures in another 10 years. Anyway to use it for this purpose?
Thank you for the detailed analysis.

Based on the then prevailing PPF rates,
and the overall distribution of the rest of one’s assets (rate of return? liquidity? guarantee?) ,
it might like a decent option to continue the PPF in 5 year blocks till one needs the amount for a planned life-event :+1:t4:

Looking at this NISM Retirement Calculator, it is built around calculating -

Corpus Required at Retirement day
to maintain present standard of living
during Retired Life

In a developing nation like ours, the standard of living (according to modern sensibilities) is constantly improving around us. improving infrastructure, improving quality of consumables, improving number and variety of services available, … etc. All of them add to the minimum baseline expense.

As the country develops, goods and services that are luxuries today (e.g., high-speed internet everywhere, advanced healthcare options, new forms of entertainment) become baseline expectations. To feel like one is “maintaining” the standard, one needs to keep up with the new normal. This is the essence of “silent lifestyle inflation”. For example, most folks in 2005 planning their retirement in 2025, would not have accounted for the recurring monthly cost of multiple streaming services, cloud storage, or advanced smartphone plans, which are now common expenses in most households.

Over time, to truly “maintain present standard of living”, one has to put in active effort to stick to one’s standard of living and not be silently subject to lifestyle-inflation and increasing expenses. If the overall standard of living keeps improving around in any given place, “maintaining present lifestyle” can require even moving to different place (eg. from a tier-1 city to tier-2 town).

If one cannot maintain one’s present standard of living, and subjects oneself to silent lifestyle inflation, then the amounts obtained using the retirement calculator can be insufficient! :hot_face:

So, what to do about it, now?
One approach is to start by calculating one’s own personal rate-of-inflation.

Assuming one has managed one’s own finances for more than a decade now, one can calculate a “personal rate of inflation” based on the change in one’s monthly expenses over the years. Next, plugging this rate into the above retirement calculator as the “Long Term Inflation” rate, should provide a more accurate estimate of one’s expected expenses over the coming years.

Alternately, one can choose to be more conscious about avoiding silent lifestyle inflation where possible, starting today (and continuing into the future),…

  • thus, enabling more of one’s income to be left over to invest into assets today.
  • and reducing future needs i.e. the target corpus needed to be financially independent.

…and opt to,
invest more in assets with lower risks, i.e. better guarantees of achieving one’s planned goals and financial independence over the long-run.


Mostly depends on the individual’s lifestyle choices.

Just as an example,
in a tier-1 metropolitan city,
consider these 2 families of 4 (1 child, 2 parents, 1 grandparent).

  • Family1 - Spends around 1L per month.
  • Family2 - Spends around 40K per month.

Folks from both the families are
healthy, fulfilled, and enjoying their respective stages of life that they are in.

The difference in expenses involves a lot of expenditure around eating-out, daily-entertainment, weekend-entertainment, and incidental expenses due to not planning ahead.

  • While family1 has a gym membership and a part-time nanny, family2 has neither and parents spend time playing with the kid at home and in their local park, and sharing household chores.

  • While family1 has a TV and multiple OTT subscriptions, family2 relies on broadband internet and freely available entertainment options (global archives of excellent variety of programming over the past 5 decades), and digital content from a nearby library.

  • While family1 lives closer to the centre of the city, easier access to restaurants, pubs, and malls; family2 lives further away in the outskirts/suburbs at a walking distance from regular/frequent public transport, public park(s), public library all of which they use extensively.

  • While family1 tends to schedule impromptu activities, family2 tends to plan ahead days/weeks (sometimes even months), be it meal-planning (avoid wastage), or travel (take advantage of off-peak/de-congested times).

A common pattern in family2 is
to ensure each item of expenditure fulfills multiple needs.

A lot of this involves a team effort by the entire family.


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invest in (fixed income mutual funds) these funds offer regular income as well u get more interest with inflation adjustment.

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Understand the products you are investing. Its important to know where our money is going, how are we going to make profit and expenses related to it.
Read as much as you can, its hard earned money, learning basics is must.

https://www.amfiindia.com/investor-corner/index.html

Let’S Talk Money
Let’s Talk Mutual Funds : Building Wealth In A Smart, Swift Manner by Monika Halan
Mutual Funds for Dummies (you can get pdf of it online)

dhirendra kumar value research is good too.

Listen to fund managers…
nilesh shah kotak amc
sankaran naren icici amc
prashant jain hdfc amc
kenneth andrade old bridge

Seeking advise from fee only financial advisor is good too.

Essentially you are risky money to beat inflation, equity fluctuates and its not easy to see the drop in NAV or NAV going no where for 5 years.

https://www.morningstar.in/posts/75276/4-things-equity-investors-should-never-forget.aspx

“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face” Mike Tyson

Even with perfect plan dip into equity slowly, one recession can make us despise equity.

PS: Don’t take my advice seriously, not a financial adviser.

You can directly purchase SBI and other liquid funds through Zerodha Coin. These don’t have a lock-in period, and returns of around 1-2%per month is possible. However, I wouldn’t suggest investing the entire amount in this.

Correction: Its about 0.4% per month. Thanks for pointing it out, Sandeep.
This is a recent estimate. May not be sustained.

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True, SBI liquid funds are easy to invest in and don’t have a lock-in. Just to add, they usually give around 6–7% annualised returns (roughly 0.5–0.6% per month), so 1–2% per month might be a bit optimistic — please correct me if I’m wrong.

reference used : SBI Liquid Fund Direct Plan Growth - NAV, Mutual Fund Performance & Portfolio

Liquid funds dont really have 1-2% pm. That would be 12-24% pa, way much better than equity. They have about 0.5% per month.

I would suggest parking the whole money in them while figuring out what to do with it.

Plus, I would not recommend SBI liquid fund. the expense ratio is 0.21% - so they are biting into your returns. I would recommend Edelweiss Liquid fund with TER of 0.05%, or JioBlackRock liquid fund with TER of 0.1%.

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Hi congrats on planning to save early ,if u have sufficient insurance , i think.instead of waiting for 40 months i.e more than 3 years to fully deploy ur capital as per advice, i think u can buy niftybees for 20L juniorbees for 10 L, and gold or silverbees for 10 L. long term it will give about 12% returns , ups and downs will be there , i dont know if it will lead to 6crore corpus but it is probably safe.
I am not a financial advisor , consult explore and plan accordingly.:heart: