SBICards Valuation

hi everyone, so a lot of people on this forum are going to or thinking about going to apply for SBICards IPO, here are some things you need to know about the company:

the company is issuing 13crore equity shares out of total 93crore shares, that’s roughly 13.5-14% float at 750-755 a share, making the valuation of the company at 70,000crore, it’s the only company of credit card issuer getting listed in the indian stock exchanges, so for comparison i am going to use some international companies

as per FY2019 profits, it’s 862crore and EPS of 9.4rs, so we get a P/E ratio of 80, many justify the growth for this high PE, but not to forget it has the highest PE ratio of any matured financial company listed in indian markets, take HDFCBank or KotakBank for example, both have a modest PE of 25 to 35 respectively.

most of the media and analysts will tell you that creditcards is a growing industry and has huge potential, but do you think that credit card is different than retail banking & is in a super-normal growth phase in India? think again. you just need to read beyond the headlines & dig in more data. SBI cards has been around for more than 20 years now in market.

while SBI has crores of customers, most are not credit worthy & have marginal balance. additionally, most SBI customers are old generation conservatives that don’t like to use digital payments at all. A small anecdote fits well here.

while they have been gaining customer base at a very good rate, card company doesn’t make money by issuing cards. it wants people to use cards for credit. the card usage for customers of SBI was not even 20%. So 80% of those never used the card even once, so it’s just a dressing on the pale salad

so, with a FY’19 PE of 80 , if someone tries to sell me the story of growth in cards issued over last 5 yrs, I’m not going to buy it.

just to put this number in context, see the market cap of Indian banks below:
HDFC Bank - $ 92 BN
ICICI Bank - $ 45 BN
Kotak Bank - $ 44 BN
Axis Bank - $ 28 BN
IndusInd Bank - $ 11 BN
do you think that a credit card issuer for SBI can be valued more than indusind bank?

let me know your thoughts on this issue, would love to hear a different narrative

going back to the IPO, is it fairly valued?, no, you will be end up paying 750rs for something worth 250rs

will it get oversubscribed and potentially open higher than the issue price?, probably

will retail investors end up subscribing for it, looking at the gains of IRCTC and going by FOMO? absolutely yes

source: @anuragsingh_as on twitter

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Interesting perspective but still you see the current price of itctc which I don’t believe justified by its fundamental .
And inspite of this valuation it would result in listing gain probably

hi @Prakhar_Agrawal , do you know that ability to profit from IPO’s is worse than a coin toss (more so since good issues are heavily oversubscribed), if you look at the past 20years of indian IPOs out of 415 IPOs 235 of them delivered negative returns, 141 out of 415 delivered less than 20% CAGR till date, (i am not even counting the odds of you getting an allotment), so yea in a nutshell if you’re looking for quick listing gains odds are really not in your favor.

Yes chances of allotment are low.

ALL IPOs are over valued. Becoz the intermediaries/Banks/Brokers make money on the valuations.

Only fools buy them.

Wait till the market corrects and then buy if the company has any potential.

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wouldn’t say all IPOs are bad, but talking about india specifically most of them are either overpriced or junk :slight_smile:

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I m not saying all IPOs are bad. They are just over valued.

They are over valued because higher commissions to the bankers/brokers for making IPO.

People who do the valuations are told to make them over valued becoz they are told to do so.

Finally the market has to correct the price.

The retail public has no idea how to value a company. So they buy on IPO thinking price will go up and institutions later sell for a nice profit, which corrects the price and then buy at the right valuation.

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@trader_dude +1

@vishalkhemchandani
isntead of typing this long, could have given the original twitter handle @anuragsingh_as
titled: SBI cards IPO: long thread on valuation disasters in indian markets…

that was even longer if you’ve read it :slight_smile:

One could have a listing gain of around 20% but now after the YES Bank debacle chances are less.

I have just 2 lots. Let’s see… It’s not much money.

As I can’t see any price from kite.
Any updates on listing day prices?

Search ‘SBICARD’ in the market watch.

listing gains kaha hain?

I sold it for 766. Around Rs. 300 gain per lot. Thanks to GTC/GTT order from Zerodha. It was squared off on auto-pilot.

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he meant 300rs on 19shares, not 1

Prime example of stupidity in marketing.

In current times when Trains are suspended, SBI card is sending this emailer.

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wth…

Loved the perspective.