Hi @nithin,
Good Day,
Can we have a dashboard with following details. This shall help to track monthly swing of Nifty & BankNifty.
Thanks,
Anirban Chatterjee
May not be possible on kite but will see if we can add it somewhere in our ecosystem.
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Just a thought @siva When you guys introduced Kite, it was the best product out there. Over many years, platforms like AngelOne and many others like Dhan, Upstox have taken a significant leap.
Doesn’t Zerodha team internally discuss how can Kite be made the industry best again? Honestly, what I have felt is that Kite is a subpar product is today’s time. In its current avatar, it is basic and honestly I can’t execute my full potential on a product like Kite. It lacks even the basic features.
Seriously Kite doesn’t need a revamp? Is the Zerodha team sure?
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Can you please name them all? I can discuss this with our team based on your feedback.
- Monitoring Positions + Indices + Fast Execution + Arrow Key Changable Charts - All in one screen.
- One Click Exit.
- Expiry tags on indices. Notifications for sudden spikes in OI for a specific index, not present.
- Ability to colour flag stocks (such as intraday, positional, week, expiries, I use diff flags).
- Saving the watchlist sort order and refreshing them automatically or manually in 1 click.
- Heatmaps & market movers - the ability to execute from the list instantly while charts viewing chart is the single biggest factor contributing to my profits.
- There are many other quality of life features, that if you execute on Angel or Dhan, you will notice.
- For ex., MF aren’t visible on Kite (I know the team is on it) but the point is now Zerodha is simply trailing on many basic features itself (according to my use-case). Kite isn’t bringing any of the above to the table neither anything new. This is just top of my head what I can recall.
- Multi chart screen (mobile app) and monitor P&L alongside charts (web & mobile).
- No native option chain.
- Kite web isn’t optimized for a wide screen monitor or even ultra-wide. The charts continue to appear in a smaller area,
- I noticed, charts layout is cache saved instead of cloud saved on Kite. Even if I open a diff browser, layouts dont appear there.
- On normal charts also, there is no instant buy or sell button, no TFC
- Cant trade on MTF against the margin pledge on MFs / Stocks.
- One click exit, One click convert to market. Ref. AngelOne
- TBT data.
Please take this as a constructive feedback. If a traditional company like AngelOne can pivot so hard that the whole industry is in disbelief, I see no reason why a progressive company like Zerodha provides a basic terminal with some notes and event tags. Thanks @siva
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These are on our to-do list.
I believe you’re referring to multiple exits from a position that should automatically slice orders beyond the freeze quantity. This is also on our to-do list.
Noted. We’ll discuss this
Instrument grouping with customizable colors will be introduced in Marketwatch soon. Given this update, would a color flag still be necessary?
This is now available on the technical widget, and we plan to integrate it natively with the additional options you mentioned. It’s already on our to-do list.
This is currently in the testing phase and will be released soon.
We’ll reevaluate this to see if it can be made possible in the near future.
TFC will be implemented soon.
Thank you for taking the time to share your feedback. We appreciate your input and are committed to addressing the missing areas to meet your expectations soon.
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Hi @Arockiya_Raja @siva - I am sure Zerodha will catch up eventually. The key word here is CATCH UP.
I have always believed and expected industry leading and new innovations from Zerodha, given the Kite revolution you people did. However, it is was my PERSONAL expectations.
That didn’t come true though of course. Brokerages like AngelOne and newbies like Dhan are providing the best of tech now, which obviously meant Zerodha was reluctant to give us the best of tools and didn’t bother to innovate with 100% heart in it.
Unless they pushed the industry forward, we never would have known what is it like to trade like the best.
I know you guys are big and all and obviously you don’t care about features and tech. Like I said that is my PERSONAL thought.
Why does iOS go over various iterations over the years? They are already the best OS. Just because they care about innovation and want to keep things fun for the user (atleast for me).
Forgive me for the long post. Thank you for reading.
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Also @Arockiya_Raja Fonts are too thin and hard on the eyes both on web and mobile, especially on mobile. Please do give a relook at the fonts and make it bolder or maybe new fonts altogether.
The other most important point is once we place a fund withdrawal request, the funds get credited the next day whereas at Dhan and Angel One, funds get credited the same day.
I have reopened the account again with Angel One and surprised to see the way they pivoted themselves to the tech. They are almost on par in the features with Dhan. However, Dhan has a work to do on it’s web home page. The fonts there are too thin and make me anxious.
Don’t even get started with fund withdrawals. They are a breeze. Even if you trade for the day, the remaining balance that remains free is processed almost instantly.
I can compare zerodha similar to Nokia where they were behind the line in adaptation and continuous improvement.
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Can we have orderflow charts please
i think Zrodha tech team is small, compact (less than 40 person, i think).
They dont hire enough and expand the team, or outsource some non-critical parts saying everything(well, almost everything) needs to be inhouse.
Hence they have a long list of TODOs which never gets done and the partial progress on any of these features gets upended by faster changes in regulatory or tech/software world. So they have to redo this allover, wasting time.
They are lost in a loop of analysis paralysis, though heir intentions are good. For a third person like me, intentions means measurable, perceivable action on the ground which is entirely missing.
One thing which is appreciated is their load/traffic handling strength which could have not been tested properly with other brokers which handle less volumes than Zerodha (I think SEBI should have a load testing grades like in ADAS automation lever 1 to 5, 5 being robust and 1 being vulnerable, where almost all brokers including the big-bank-broking houses like hdfcb, icicib, sbin and their clumsy interfaces would secure less than level 3)
Hope zerodha will start realizing this sooner, add people and resources in right places (viz. tech team) and start galloping sooner from the current crawling state.
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Without knowing the details of the tech stack,
i.e. how tightly-coupled the various parts are,
i don’t think we can assume that adding more people is going to speed things up.
That old program management parable of
9 women does not mean a baby can be delivered in 1 month 
@thisisbanerjee You’re missing the point again.
That’s a well established quote in software development / project management circles.
But, hey today’s your lucky day. 
Anyways, please refer to the Mythical man month by Fred Brooks for the original quote.
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None of that is written or implied.
Please don’t let your own thoughts / vendetta, cloud what others write.
and yes, please do stay on-topic 
Perhaps not knowing/understanding the significance of Fred Brooks’s quote, leads one to misread the whole comment. 
Point taken. Updated the orignal comment with the reference.
Again, i hope anyone reading the comment focuses on the point of the analogy -
Adding people is not necessarily going to speed-up development.
Also, how dare you say women are not related to tech or Zerodha? 
(i know what you probably meant to say.
so, am not going to try to take your words out of context
and stir controversy to try to win an argument.
I hope you don’t do that again here on TradingQnA either.)
Cheers big fella!
Are you Fred Brook?
If a person can develop a thing in say 20 days, don’t you agree that 4 person could do it in 5 days? I think you are missing the point again. Hope you have a good day!
Since your responses are measured, if you are interested in learning more about the tech side of things, here are some links.
Also, for their tech “approach”, "philosophy ", what have you… you can also follow their tech team here (infrequently posted, though)…
If you already do, I’m sorry to be preaching to the choir 
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Thanks for sharing.
Very relevant to where this topic-thread was/is heading.
Yes. I do remember that upon reading this last blogpost (which you shared above), it left me with the distinct impression that a lot of blocks in the stack were getting coupled with clickhouse in some way or the other. I am curious how that’s turning out. 
If someone from Zerodha’s tech team is reading this, please do dedicate some time in the next post on how going “all-in” on clickhouse is panning out.
Next, based on the responses of front-end folks who occasionally chime-in on this forum, I believe it is extremely unlikely that the front-end UI will “improve” anytime soon.
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Part of my belief is due to what comes across on this forum as inability to take criticism of some brain-dead UI decisions in recent times.
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Another reason is my personal belief that the current UI is the best that can be without triggering major changes to the entire infrastructure including the back-end. Any potential changes to the front-end ends-up exposing bottlenecks in the current architecture / back-end. And personally i would take the current compromise instead of an “improved UI” with a flaky back-end.
Every time i see someone whining on this forum about something in the UI, but not switching to other brokers (for months/years) who they believe/claim are offering a better UI, i think that all such folks eventually come to the same realization that switching is not worth the “costs” - monetary, reliability, … and other such.
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It’s quite tempting to pull popular quotes out of context and use them as a blanket statement. Using your analogy in the context of the original discussion, 9 women can most likely give birth to 9 babies in 9 months.
But again, all this is just for the sake of putting the point out - which is that maybe few of the things in the to-do list are independent of each other and can be worked upon parallely. If wasn’t the case, you’ll never need more than 1 developer and create all the babies that are to be made…
PS - not at all suggesting that zerodha isn’t already at that optimal headcount level.
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