WHY SOME TRADERS/ INVESTORS/LOSER are Biased / Hate and Troll TA

In my experience at least on Zerodha Trading QNA Platform There are three kinds of people who Hate Troll and No Need of TA. This writing is not for Fun, it’s just my Opinion on TA

  • Option Seller
  • Long Term Investor 2.A Loser ( who Trade wrongly and Blame OTHERS)

1. Option Seller , Why TA is not required for Option seller for the following reason

How Option Premium Melts Like Ice:

  • Time Decay (Theta): This is the main factor. As the expiration date approaches, there is less time for the stock to move favorably, causing the time-value portion of the premium to evaporate, regardless of market movement.
  • Acceleration near Expiry: The melting process starts slow, but accelerates significantly in the final 30-45 days, becoming most rapid on the day of expiry, especially for out-of-the-money options.
  • Impact of Volatility: Similar to a larger ice cube, options with higher implied volatility have higher premiums and experience faster, more dramatic melting when volatility drops.
  • The “Non-Refundable” Aspect: If the option expires worthless, the entire premium paid by the buyer evaporates, serving as a total loss of that “ice,” which is kept by the option writer

2. Long Term Investor (Arm Chaired/ Non Active) 2.A Loser
Technical Analysis (TA) is often not prioritized by long-term investors because it focuses on short-term price movements, trends, and market psychology, rather than the intrinsic, fundamental value of an asset. While TA is valuable for timing trades, investors focused on long-term growth typically prefer Fundamental Analysis (FA) to evaluate financial health

· Long**-Term Focus:** Investors seek to understand the underlying business, competitive advantage, and future earnings, which TA does not provide.

· Fundamental Overrides Technical, Fundamental analysis (FA) determines what to buy, while TA only helps determine when to buy.
· Market Sentiment Risk: TA relies on past price patterns to predict the future, which can be unreliable and subject to volatility, leading some investors to disregard it for long-term strategies.

· Efficiency**:** For investors with a long-term time horizon, the short-term noise generated by TA is less relevant than company performance.

Ultimately, while TA is a powerful tool for traders, it is often seen as unnecessary for investors who believe the long-term price of an asset will align with its fundamental value.

2A Loser.

In trading, a Loser

(Unprofitable trader) often finds Technical Analysis (TA) unnecessary or ineffective because they fail to understand that TA is merely a tool for measuring probability, not predicting the future. Over-reliance on signals without proper risk management or, conversely, over-trading on lower timeframes creates noise that leads to losses.

Key reasons TA is not helpful to a struggling trader:

  • Misunderstanding Probabilities: TA is not a 100% guarantee; a losing trader might misinterpret high-probability signals and blame the analysis, or ignore risk management.
  • Over-reliance on Lower Timeframes: Focusing on too-low timeframes often leads to excessive, risky, and losing trades (noise) rather than recognizing broader trends.
  • Neglecting the “Pause”: As famously noted, “Money is made by sitting, not trading.” A loser might fail by constantly trading instead of waiting for the right, high-probability opportunity.

Ignoring Risk/Reward: Even with good TA, failing to manage risk ensures that the overall portfolio continues to lose money

Essentially, TA is only as effective as the risk management and psychological discipline of the user.

My approach to TA is it’s not a prediction tool. TA in my opinion is to enhance the probability of success , It’s like stethoscope to a Doctor just to estimate the issue , People who don’t like TA conveniently forget the fact that Candle stick on screen is itself a part of TA. Anyway,
Finally it’s up to Individual person, whether to use TA or Not

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Saying there are three kinds of people who have no need of TA sounds clean and organized at first, and I like how simple it feels, but the more I sit with it the more it feels like people never really fit into just three boxes no matter how convenient that sounds. Calling it not for fun and just your opinion makes it feel serious and straight from the chest, which I respect, though the moment something says it isn’t for fun it somehow becomes a little dramatic in a different way.

Putting the Option Seller first feels intentional, almost like giving them seniority, and that makes sense because they operate differently, but at the same time being first doesn’t really prove they stand apart from everyone else. Saying TA isn’t required for an Option Seller feels bold and confident, and confidence in trading is attractive, though the word “required” makes it sound like TA is some official rulebook when most of this game runs on judgment anyway. The image of option premium melting like ice is actually pretty relatable, and I can picture it slowly dripping away, but ice melts because of temperature while premium melts because of time and fear and expectation, so the comparison works and doesn’t quite work at the same time.

Time decay being the main factor makes perfect sense because time is always moving forward whether we like it or not, and that steady pressure feels real, though calling it the main factor quietly ignores how price and volatility can steal the spotlight without warning. The idea that as expiration gets closer there’s less time for a favorable move sounds logical, almost obvious, but sometimes less time also means fewer chances to mess things up, so the danger cuts both ways. Saying the time value evaporates regardless of market movement feels strong and certain, which is comforting in a strange way, yet markets rarely do anything in a way that feels completely regardless of something else.

That acceleration near expiry, the slow melt turning into a fast one, mirrors how stress builds up before a deadline, and that makes it easy to believe, though attaching it to a neat 30–45 day window makes it feel like the market follows a calendar as neatly as we wish it would. The claim that it becomes most rapid on the day of expiry especially for out-of-the-money options feels intuitive, almost like common sense, but intuition in trading has fooled enough people that trusting it fully feels risky. Comparing higher implied volatility to a larger ice cube is clever and paints a bigger picture, yet in real life bigger ice cubes sometimes last longer, so the metaphor bends depending on how you look at it.

Talking about the “non-refundable” aspect makes it sound like buying a movie ticket you can’t return, and that clarity helps, though markets are rarely as straightforward as a cinema counter. The whole premium evaporating and staying with the writer sounds almost unfair from the buyer’s side, and yet that unfairness is exactly what makes the seller comfortable. Calling it melted ice that the seller keeps is oddly satisfying, but holding onto melted ice doesn’t really make sense because once it’s melted it isn’t the same thing anymore.

Moving to the long-term investor, especially calling them arm-chaired or non-active, feels a little teasing but not entirely wrong, and I can see how someone who doesn’t trade daily wouldn’t obsess over charts, though “non-active” doesn’t mean non-thinking. Saying TA isn’t prioritized because it focuses on short-term movement instead of intrinsic value sounds smart and textbook correct, but intrinsic value itself isn’t something you can touch or measure with a ruler. Preferring Fundamental Analysis for financial health seems reasonable, and digging into numbers feels more solid than drawing lines on charts, though those numbers are still interpreted by humans who can be just as emotional as traders staring at candles.

Wanting to understand the business, its competitive edge, and future earnings feels responsible and mature, like planting a tree instead of picking flowers, yet trees still get hit by storms no spreadsheet predicted. The line that fundamentals decide what to buy and TA only decides when to buy sounds tidy and practical, but in real life most people blur the two without even noticing. Saying TA relies on past price patterns and can be unreliable makes sense because the future isn’t obligated to copy the past, though fundamentals rely on past earnings and assume growth that hasn’t happened yet.

Calling short-term price movement “noise” makes it sound like something you can safely ignore, like traffic outside your window, but sometimes that noise is the first sign that something bigger is happening. Believing that long-term price will align with fundamental value sounds comforting, almost moral, like the market will eventually reward what deserves it, though there are plenty of examples where “eventually” stretches longer than patience allows.

Then comes the 2A Loser, and the bluntness of that word hits hard, which might be the point, though reducing someone’s struggle to a label feels both honest and oversimplified. Describing a loser as someone who finds TA ineffective makes sense because frustration often turns into rejection, yet sometimes rejection comes from overexposure rather than misunderstanding. The idea that TA measures probability, not the future, is an important distinction, and it sounds wise, though once probability enters the room people start hearing promises even when none were made.

Over-reliance on signals without risk management being a cause of loss is almost undeniable, like saying driving fast without brakes is dangerous, yet even with brakes accidents still happen. Focusing on lower timeframes creating noise feels accurate because smaller charts do move wildly, though some traders build entire careers on those very small movements. The quote about money being made by sitting, not trading, sounds patient and disciplined, and patience is rare, but sitting too long can also mean watching opportunities pass by.

Ignoring risk/reward ensuring losses feels like a basic rule of survival, and it’s hard to argue against that math, yet even good risk/reward setups fail often enough to shake confidence. Saying TA is only as effective as the discipline of the user feels balanced and fair, though it quietly shifts all blame to the trader and leaves the tool untouched.

Calling TA a probability enhancer instead of a prediction tool sounds humble and realistic, and humility in markets is healthy, but enhancing probability still tempts people to believe they have an edge that might disappear at the worst moment. Comparing TA to a stethoscope for a doctor is a strong image because it suggests diagnosis, not prophecy, though doctors misdiagnose and traders misread charts with equal confidence. Pointing out that candlesticks themselves are part of TA makes a clever argument, almost like saying you’re already using it whether you admit it or not, yet if everything on the screen is TA then rejecting TA becomes impossible and the debate circles back on itself.

Ending with “it’s up to the individual” feels open-minded and respectful, like stepping back from the argument, though stepping back also avoids fully settling anything. Personal choice in trading is real because no one presses the buy or sell button for someone else, yet the market doesn’t really care what anyone personally believes.

The whole structure of dividing people into Option Sellers, Long-Term Investors, and Losers feels clean and satisfying, and humans love clean structures, but real traders often drift from one role to another without noticing. An option seller today might become a long-term investor tomorrow and feel like a loser next week, so the categories feel solid until life blurs them. The confidence in saying TA isn’t needed by certain groups sounds decisive, and decisiveness is attractive, yet markets punish certainty more often than they punish doubt.

Time decay being predictable feels like something stable in a chaotic environment, and stability is comforting, but even predictable decay interacts with unpredictable price. Long-term investing ignoring short-term charts feels mature, like ignoring gossip, though sometimes gossip reveals truths before official announcements do. Labeling someone a loser for misusing TA sounds harsh but motivating, yet harshness can push someone to improve or simply push them away.

Risk management being central to success sounds like common sense, and common sense is often right, though common sense in theory and common sense in the heat of a live trade are two different animals. Probability over prediction sounds like wisdom learned from experience, and experience is valuable, yet experience also creates biases that quietly shape every decision.

The metaphor of melting ice keeps coming back, and it paints a clear picture of loss and gain, but ice can be refrozen under the right conditions, while expired options cannot. Saying TA is unnecessary for some and essential for others feels balanced, yet it also feels like saying a hammer is useless for those who don’t build houses, which is true but doesn’t settle whether the hammer is good or bad.

Maybe that’s the strange part: everything sounds clear until you try to hold it firmly, and then it slips just enough to make you question whether it was ever solid to begin with, even though it felt solid the entire time, a bit like how in twenty twenty-six most people won’t sit through long stretches of text anymore, especially when they quietly assume almost all of it is machine-made anyway, so the ones sharp enough will understand without being told why something this long says so much while meaning so little, and might even like it for exactly that reason.

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TL;DR :joy:

The post argues that some people dislike, dismiss, or troll technical analysis (TA) not because TA is intrinsically bad, but because their roles or experiences make TA seem irrelevant or uncomfortable:

Option sellers don’t rely much on TA because their profit/loss is dominated by time decay, not price patterns; they watch premium melt rather than charts evolving.
Long-term investors focus on fundamentals (business earnings, value) over short-term price action, so TA feels unnecessary to them.
“Losers” (unprofitable traders) blame TA for their losses instead of acknowledging poor risk management, misuse of signals, over-trading on low-timeframes, or misunderstanding probability. They end up hating or trolling TA because they misinterpret it as predictive certainty instead of a tool for probability and risk assessment.

Final point: TA doesn’t predict the future; it improves probability when applied with discipline and risk management. Ta is only effective in the hands of someone who uses it properly.

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impressive mileage. zero displacement.

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Well your reply was amazing, i may be may not be able to answer to you , maybe I need to read your post again & reply. This was on my mind from many months, i am a retail trader &a small Investor but not a full Timer,I do day Job. Retail Traders Normally considered as a person who uses TA , deserves the respect but not getting , they are called as Dumb Money , by chance i watched a CNBC video of Tom Sosnoff in that he was saying that retailers are nimble and the first movers and FII s chase later , that touched me , In-fact Tom Sosnoff is not uses TA

When I was started I don’t had the privilege of Big Capital , nor I was a Cambridge Graduate who can become a CA and study Company Balance sheet to do Investments, to grow or to make money I needed right information about stock market , without having a Bloomberg kind of Terminal due to Day Job and just to see & rely on Bid /Ask LTP I was using TA to enter and exit the Trade , since news based Trading or Investment is very risky. TA is a good Tool for me to Trade stocks, I do both buy & Sell Options, Buy Sell Future contracts including commodity I do invest in Bonds but survived and made money in the stock Market Why I am saying this is that , I felt some clarity and Information is required to someone who don’t know about TA

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will Option Trader lose Shirt :thinking:

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