Why the big fuss about no leverages!

Why are people here so obsessed not having access to leverages anymore?? Do you even understand that leverages are setup by these brokerages to benefit themselves more than they benefit their clients?

First of all, if you are a professional trader you wouldn’t even think of using leverages in a trade until it’s absolutely necessary. You think all the prop traders, hedge funds, investment banks that trade and make up more than 60% volume in India use leverage over some candle stick non sense and indicators? Obviously not! They use their own money most of the times. They literally laugh at when they see some retail traders using 1:10 leverages on trades that are setup to fail. When you trade with leverage, you are basically providing liquidity to these guys.

Moreover, if you compare this leverage with Forex, you get 1:100 times leverage. That’s fucking insane! that means for Rs 1 lakh you are being leveraged to Rs 1 Crore. That’s insane! Let’s use some common sense - Do you really think these companies will give a completely random stranger who has just started trading with no experience an outrageous leverage of 1:100 who are setup to fail more than 90% of the time? Of course not, unless they own the system. They have setup the system in a way that their revenue is revolved around you failing and blowing out your money. These brokerage companies spend around 25%-30% of their revenue on marketing to new clients. Now you must be thinking if 90% retail traders fail then that means a loss of potential revenue, isn’t it? Absolutely not! Their business model is completely different, like I said, they have created a model where they make more money when you lose than you win in trades.

These brokerages have setup contracts often called ‘IB’(Introducing Brokerages) contracts that basically give commission to these trading institutes that teach retail traders how to trade, more like, how to blowup your account… This is exactly the reason, why trading institutes teach you some indicator non-sense and candlesticks to basically rip you off. (Just look at Technical Analysis courses on Varsity) These contracts have been getting banned in many big market countries. A simple google search will reveal you all. In fact, the IB contract is so dominant in these companies that brokerages end up losing 80% of their caps when they get banned.

You need to understand the brokerage system has been setup to ensure that you fail. About 90% of retail traders fail but that number is quite false, it is actually higher but they don’t reveal that to conceal the negative light of trading. SEBI’s decision to cut off leverage is a big slap to the brokerages and we should appreciate the SEBI’s decision they have taken to protect the interests of the common people these brokerages are exploiting. This decision might put the brokerage industry decades back but I feel that’s a worthy sacrifice to ensure the common people don’t suffer.

A bit funny thing is that brokers do exactly like they sound - They make people broke XD.

You still don’t understand? Well then, think for yourself. In a market where 90% of your customers end up losing money and most of them end up blowing account, do you really think that market is worth catering to unless you have found a way to take advantage of that?

UPDATE: A lot of people here are making some senseless claims like, ‘A good trader can benefit using leverages’. ‘Leverages are good and advantageous’. the points I made are neither saying leverages are good nor it is saying leverages are bad. My main aim of the post was to shine a light on the practices that are being used to exploit people to make money off them. Yes, leverages are good when you know what you’re doing, but is this really the case? Just what percentage of people qualify in this market as ‘Good’ Traders? More than 90% of retail traders lose money in the market, do you understand the kind of impact it is having over those poor people coming here looking to make money with the hopes of improving their lifestyle they’re never gonna get?

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Instead of decreasing leverage you can put some entry barriers in market but again that has limitations .

every one is angry at OP, but nobody provides a rebuttal to disprove his points.
I agree with OP. leverage is not good for retail.

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If anyone disagree with OP here is some more info to deep dive into. He is right but because of our greed we go to trading and get failed and even i failed and blown up my account several times.Still Stuck with Recovery and Greed -

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But this Industry will continue forever no rules can make retail trader fear or demotivated.

If you know what you are doing, leverage is good.

If you don’t know what you are doing, leverage or no leverage, you are destined to fail.

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Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.

[Archimedes]

A good trader can benefit using leverage. It’s not only the broker who benefits.

Leverage or no leverage, people ll still win and lose. It’s all a game. Those with ultimate greed, succumbs the most.

IMO leverage is good. Those who don’t like leverages, need to control thy selves.

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Bruh! Really what kind of shit you wrote.
Many people utilize the leverage advantage, but of course, there should be limitations. Some of the brokerages are going way beyond.

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Be civil and if you disagree with OP then state your argument about why you disagree with him. Just getting emotional and insulting him makes you look childish.

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You are absolutely wrong. Although leverage is a double edged sword, it encourages higher market participation. Now, if the people loose, then it’s up to them.
Leverages don’t only create higher market participation but they provide retail traders with an ability to earn living as retail traders have access to larger capital pools.

Everybody repeats these 90% loss stuff but nobody understands the fact behind it. This research was carried out in Taiwan where the commissions were extremely high and they lost money after the commissions. There is 0.3% transaction charge in Taiwan Stock Exchange and the commissions were around 0.15% on the value of trade.

The reason broker provides with leverage is due to the fact that they trust their system not traders. They believe that at any point, the total losses incurred by you will not exceed the total value of your account and they are able to charge commission from you for providing you leverage.

This all hoax with brokers come from time, when brokers would make a percentage of whatever they sell.

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its not just the taiwan study, another brazilian study also concluded that 90% of day traders lost money and 1% of day traders made minimum wage.

Retailers are not really bright folk, so leverage as a general idea is bad.
RobinHood until recently published stocks its accont holders used to buy and 90% of stocks owned by robinhooders are just pump and dump stocks with no fundementals.
Even zerodha published stats mentioning that retailed piled up into Yesbank when it fell from 400 -> 9rs.

So its an universal fact that retailers are dumb money.
So leverage is double edged sword and it almost allways kills retailers.

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SEBI is trying to babysite retailers. why does it bother good traders.
if a trader is a good and confident in his strategy, i dont think getting enough capital is a problem

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Leverage is a double edged sword. You can make a lot of money if you’re right, but can also lose a lot if you are wrong. If the risk involved well keep you awake at night, you are probably using too much leverage.

If you have a solid, preferably backtested plan what’s bad about leverages? If you don’t, you are going to lose without leverages too. If an algo tests to give you a small profit consistently why not multiply the win? Not to do so looks insane.

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Leverage is a two edged sword. It’s very easy to wipe out the entire trading capital with too much leverage. One fat finger error by some one in the market is enough to do that even if we do everything right on our end. Even Stop orders may not save the day when that happens. The most important rule in trading is to preserve capital. Leverage is bad seeing from that angle.

Agreed trading is a zero (or -ve considering taxes, fee still goes to a participant!), but it is not the job of the government to distort the market! Leverages will not reduce losses/blow outs, in fact it happens quicker - low leverages tie one’s hand in taking corrective steps, especially if one gets into low liquidity space!

Low leverage is infact what big hedge funds would lobby for (I am not saying they have!), in the name of protecting retail investors, so that collective ability of retail traders remains smaller than them! It is in the interest of smart brokers to lobby for higher leverages - obviously their risk management capability has to be good!

intraday brokerages are going to be high => speculators will decrease, sudden jumps and fall will decrease and the market will be more trendy as big guys put all their money, in those good stocks or short them. so this might be good for small guys who are afraid to hold for 2 or 3 days.

If you use 1% risk on portfolio rule you might not need that much leverage.

today I bought MRF 1 share which is 60K with leverage i got for 3K, I made 600 points, which is 20% gain compare to my 3K capital… without leverage i cant even trade 1 share, Only those accounts full of money can trade?
Tell me how is it bad?, Im aware of Risk Reward

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If u taking1% risk of ur capital thn thrs no point of discussing reduced leverage etc. Cn easily take 1 or 2 trades in a day . N 4-5x leverage in big stocks is mre than sufficient