Lost 40 lakhs till now in trading

You were not doing good at -25L. Market makes mind play tricks on you. There is no reason to believe that if you had followed rules you would have been profitable until you have done the work. Yes with a stop, you would likely have been much better off but that does not mean you make money. I have seen another guy say the same repeatedly and he never found a real edge.

Why were you trading with full life savings ? Did you have any proof that you can make money ? You have to backtest with large sample size over many years first and then forward test with small money. Keep a tradelog, Follow all rules and check pnl only at the end of testing and check how you did. Only if you are making money does it make sense to add more - in steps.
This need to make back money is very dangerous. Markets don’t care for your past losses. As others have said, just step away from trading completely - atleast until this need goes away.

I have heard many traders say in books that they became good traders only after some blowouts. I don’t know if this is a general pattern, i never did - but this might give hope for future. That said not everyone has to trade. Most people will probably be better off focusing on their career and saving into index funds for retirement.

If you cannot control yourself then stop trading. Emotional control is a basic requirement to trade. Until you have that only trade small money even if you have an edge. One bad mistake can wipe us out but problem is market does not give instant feedback, so market will reward you for that mistake for some time and then bam.

Make sure this is over many years data. And after that forward test with small money too and only scale up in steps once you make money in previous step.

Win rate on its own is completely meaningless as you have found out. My best system for this year has a win rate of mid 30s right now and was lower few weeks back and still doing well.


Most people lose money in trading. You really need to be persistent over many years with perhaps some unjustified hope that things will work out. For some they do, for others they don’t. I have seen both among traders i knew over last 5-10 years. Generally they give up, perhaps justifiably. You have to look at why you want to trade, if its really interesting to you irrespective of money then persist on it, try different things. But don’t commit large money until you have clear proof of edge.

Simple things do work in markets but they require you to be consistent over large sample of trades. And finding what works is just as much work as executing every day, if not more.
And meanwhile you probably should focus on rebuilding your savings through job and investments.


Major problem initially is that you don’t really have a good source to study. There are so many options and most of them don’t really work. For me, turning point was when i starting looking at work of Adam Grimes. That wont lead to instant success, for me it took another 3-4 years but he has published a lot of stuff over more than a decade. Blog is freely available, you can start there. If its interesting, then read up 1st book. Try to apply, don’t expect to turn profitable instantly - you will have to adapt. That’s what worked for me.

Some blog posts for you to get some perspective on how trading works. Good luck.

Also look at the video from Michael Mauboussin in that last post. Gives you a perspective of how its difficult to figure out if you have an edge and whether it will continue in future.

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@Arjun_Oberoi - yes it takes one day to lost all years of savings. I will have to take this as big lesson accept it learn and need to avoid same mistakes again.

We all have different perceptions about money, because we all have different financial situations in life, so we all may be giving different opinions, but the essence is, have a clear plan, have a method, respect your capital if it is hard earned money, have a stop loss, learn, do it small till you gain experience and confidence, always accept that things can go wrong because you are competing with people who could be superior to you etc, have patience etc.

For a lot of questions in life, the answers are inside us, not outside, so look inside, know yourself, why do you want to trade, do you need money or do you want money, do you think that you will get more in trading than from your job, or are you trading for the kicks, achieve clarity and calmness, then you can focus, concentrate on what you want to do.

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@GB26 thanks for reply.
You are absolutely right it has become addiction for me and trying to get right by averaging in every trade cost me badly multiple times n now almost all money.
I was completely gambling i guess as naked position without thinking about loss is pure gamble should have close eyes and thought about life family before hitting anytrdae when loss went above some limit.
Will take break and will think if it is really necessary or when j return i will not think about profit and will come up with all rules and important following it .let see. This loss is gonna last for long time now :frowning:

Don’t worry too much, you can overcome this financial loss. From here on, along with clarity about yourself, plan your finances properly, save every rupee, slowly fill the loss hole. Only when you are clear about yourself, create a plan, and then trade, let it take time, market is not going anywhere.

If you are truly hurt both financially and emotionally, think of this loss as the biggest mistake in your life, don’t ever repeat this mistake again.

To err is human, we all make mistakes, but once we come to the realization that we have made a big mistake, we should not repeat it again, we have to change. Everyone has the power inside them to make these changes happen.

So don’t worry too much and start rebuilding again.

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@Vikii

40 Lakhs is very huge amount. I don’t have any ideas to discuss. What are you seeking ? At this moment? Empathy? Advice?

You can receive million advices! which relates to philosophy but “not a solution”. These philosophies existed in web & everywhere even before we born and tons of books. But I guess you need a strict recovery solution. Which we all together fail to direct.

@t7support Maybe this guy can help you. ( As you mentioned F&O) Take a look at his work & views. Pay if its costs anything. He is lighting the forum so much. You already lost 40L. Adding few more bucks to @t7support might locate your recovery. Try. If it’s working let everyone know. We’ll be happy to extend our lives with @t7support

For tagging me again. All I can say, I started to recover from 8 L first year, 4,10 2 years gap and finally this year settled with profits nominally. Losses are Done! I’m not losing anymore. It took 6 years over all. Though 4th & 5th year not actively participated everyday comparing with earlier robust years. I never played BIG. I always played with small quantities thousands of times. So this gave me enormous experiences.

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Thanks friend.yes u r right greeed of making money without proper knowledge risk management and then trying to recover it cost me more.
Should have done proper study and then should have played with small quantity with proper risk management.
Going forward going to take break will introspect everything and then only will think about entering market market can take money so it can give money but trading on hope and no risk management has cost me my life time saving whenever i broke rule i have lost more and last week it was worst.
My emotions are never under control when my loss goes above some limit anyway can’t do anything apart from learning and applying it if i trade again.i feel bad bcoz i broke trust of my family members, trust i had on my self education that to for ppl who is from middle class family and think 10 times before buying 10 rs Cadbury…
Thanks for reply brother will go through all blogs and all suggestions really appreciated :pray:

Thanks friend. Yes absolutely right :slight_smile:
I will avoid all mistake in future n if i trade i will trade with all rules like robot and yes market is thr with learning avoiding mistake I can come back n come back strong

@anon99108009 Well …will sure check with suggested guy. I know my mistake and wanted to take them out somewhere have received lot of very good advic and not sure but needed some harsh truth what I am doing now is completely wrong though I am aware of all things…not sure what to say brother
Anyway from now on i am not going to take things lightly the way i used to take till yest. Taking break and will do all analysis imp for now need to put .ore efforts on my job and market if i come back i will start slow very slow.

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@raoawesome Yes emotions are main ready i lost all control once loss goes above some limit.

I want to add few more disastrous things I did. As we met 3 years ago on our losses. At that time I was at -13 L around.

We both were in similar deadly state. But I see your pain is double than mine. I can understand your mental ability and depression.

So one day, I just went to the place I wanted to, I did whatever the fuck I wanted to do. I ate like an Elephant, Slept like a pig. Enjoyed as if it was my last days. and came back like a HUMAN. Refreshed everything. Checked every mistake, Checked every trade, Checked every chart and designed what works for me and what not. So Your 40 lakhs gave you some experience. Right? Put a task to your brain, Write down everything, Review, Recheck behave like a man. You will get an idea. Taking others idea is useless. Your game, you play it. There is say in English ( Don’t let others drive your CAR. Take the steering control it yourself.

Play slow, Play light, Play with low quantity. When everything is ready yeah! Take that fuck like never before. This market is big. It can feed billions. We are here to help you as much as needed. Share your things. We all are in same boat. Don’t worry. I always say ( What I lost from market is nothing than what I take in future) I stick to this as long as I am alive.

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Looky look. Who is here after hibernation!

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@Celina Yeah! You stalker! Not forgetting me at all?

How was it?

@Celina You know it! Better than anyone! :money_mouth_face:

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You must be the only man who calls a woman stalker, just plain and direct.

Well, i like it, discreetly.

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Ironically! That’s me putting your words from mine. You know it. :crazy_face: :crazy_face: :crazy_face:

Well, when you disappeared for 2-3 days. It was okay. Then it turned a week.

Then Mexico came into & it hit me hard. And you are kind of a maverick.

Listen to Venkat Rao of VRDNATION on Big Loss Recovery. He has some good advices.

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This word is enough to fall me into deepest illusions. You killed me again! Ahhhhhhh! Kill me please :face_with_thermometer: :face_with_thermometer: :face_with_thermometer: